Stickman's column this week...

[jxxxl]

HIGH THAIED said:

Hi jxxxl,

 

>>>>Your supporters can't make an intellegent argument, it's just a bunch of "Stickman is a victim...you people are jealous....<<<<<

 

That statement is full of crap. I'll give you an intelligent argument to what he writes.....

 

He writes his column as he see's it. WTF is so hard to understand about that? He's not writing what you want to hear? Tough shit, amigo. Don't read it. Your arguments are only valid, if he were professing himself to be the last word on BKK sanuk, which he has never stated. His site is very broad, encompassing his trials and tribulations as an English teacher there. He cannot be in Phuket, Pattaya, BKK, and elsewhere else every week, giving you the lastest lowdown on every bar there, nor does he try to do. Much of what he reports, obviously comes from other people on the ground at those locales (which he gives credit to, every week).

 

So what is your gripe? That he tries to make a few dollars for his effort? Who the hell wouldn't. You don't think KS here, is trying to realize a profit? Or anyone else putting the mega-hours into it every week? Get real. Does KS engage in the sex-tourist trade? And unless he does, he cannot be a legitimate board owner? Here's a clue...KS is happily married, doesn't fuck around in the prostitution world there, and only drinks cola's. Is he a hypocrite also? He rejects being involved in the prostitution scene there, albeit, less vocal about it. He grew out of it, got married, and moved on. I can think of many here, who are in the same situation. So what?

 

Stick went there as a sex tourist, and has evolved, being an expat there. His views changed on prostitution, as time marched on. Just like most expats there, who have seen what is behind the curtain.

 

Sticks site is nothing more than a blog. A diary of his impressions there. You don't agree with those impressions, then fine. But don't say he has dropped any ball, or his responsibility there. He has no responsibility to you, or anyone else.

 

You don't like his diary, then quit freaking reading it, and quit complaining. I have no problem with you taking issue with his comments, or opinions. But you're way over the line in attacking others that enjoy it, and then calling him a hypocrite.

 

As Stick said, we here have been down this road before. If his site does not conform to your personal liking, the just quit reading it, already. I've never seen him trying to 'prove' anything. He's just a regular guy, speaking out loud every week, and also willing to bring his Thai wife into things, and offer up her insights, as well.

 

What have you done, jaxxxl? Other than to throw out vicious attacks? You don't offer up any insights........you only offer up obvious distain. Start offering up some constuctive idea's, and someone might actually be intrested in what you have to spew.

 

>>>or that you aren't man enough to admit that you want the advertising money.<<<

 

Your attacks like this, are unwarranted. I've never met the guy. But you're out of line with your train of thought with this shit. Chill out!

 

HT

 

Well High Thaied, that is certainly an "intelligent" argument. Too bad you don't understand the issue. Let me describe it simply and perhaps you can make another attempt at an intelligent argument.

 

If you denounce something publicly (i.e., prostitution), you are then a hypocrit if you commercially benefit from that which you denounce.

 

Perhaps you should think this through before you make another attempt at an intelligent argument.

[jxxxl]

"You don't like his diary, then quit freaking reading it, and quit complaining. I have no problem with you taking issue with his comments, or opinions. But you're way over the line in attacking others that enjoy it, and then calling him a hypocrite".

 

High Thaied, you're a funny guy.

 

Let me make it clear that I don't read Stickman's column. I just feel obliged to add my two cents on this board when the subject of Stickman comes up. If YOU don't like it, tough shit.

 

And let me also make it clear that I haven't attacked anyone who enjoys reading Stickman's column.

 

If you want to reply to me, as I'm sure you will, see if this time you can focus on the issue rather than ranting all over the place about things not relevant to the issue.

[MaiLuk]

"Perhaps you should think this through before you make another attempt at an intelligent argument...

 

...I just feel obliged to add my two cents on this board when the subject of Stickman comes up. If YOU don't like it, tough shit."

 

There is something incongrous here :: HT should come back with "Well, if YOU don't like it, tough shit." That will rocket the debate into the *intelligent* leagues.

 

Speaking of intelligent, just read that those nazis in the USA are not mindless inert lumps of clay. "The American Nazi Party has volunteered to pick up trash along a quiet stretch of rural road in Oregon state, causing an uproar after getting a sign placed there crediting its work. "

 

Clever bunch. The sign reads "American Nazi Party"

 

Soory off topic. . Back to the stickman debate.

[Zorro]

Below i have copied some quotes from bibblies and jxxxl.

The problem I have is with the tone of their criticism. It does if you look at the quotes come across as rather nasty and personal. This to my mind undermines the validity somewhat of what they have to say.

I think that they have indeed raised some valid points but the nature of their criticism is unwarranted and instead of being constructive criticism is rather destructive in nature and will only serve to alienate those that may indeed agree to a certain extent with some of what they have to say.

 

I think that the best part of his website is the Readers Submissions. Some great stuff in there.

 

I don't think he ever professes that his weekly column is the last word on sanuk in LOS.

Obviously he depends a lot on others for his information and at times his information is not so accurate. Fine to point out the inaccuracies but no need to go overboard and become vindictive in your criticism.

 

He does seem to have a rather schizophrenic position in regards to the naughty nightlife.

On the one hand the popularity of his site is embedded in the nightlife scene yet at the same time he is always trying to distance himself from the scene and is quick to point out the dangers of the scene. The fact that he also makes money from advertising sex sites is for many a bit hypocritical.

 

" why do you think people go to gogo bars rather than pubs? Can you remember? "

 

Er, what the fuck? How does one girl's (possible) marriage mean that another girl is married?! Lazy reasoning at best, I feel

 

I mean, what the fuck sort of reasoning is that??

I'm not sure it it's because you are unable to understand hypocracy or that you aren't man enough to admit that you want the advertising money. Why not just say, "hey, I'm against prostitution but I'm not too proud to take money from the industry. If you don't like it, fuck off"

 

Well High Thaied, that is certainly an "intelligent" argument.

Too bad you don't understand the issue. Let me describe it simply and perhaps you can make another attempt at an intelligent argument.

 

Let me make it clear that I don't read Stickman's column. I just feel obliged to add my two cents on this board when the subject of Stickman comes up. If YOU don't like it, tough shit."

[jxxxl]

Zorro,

 

Would you please be more specific about what is so nasty and personal about my criticism of Stickman?

 

BTW, I am not questioning Stickman's manhood as High Thaied suggested. The espression "man enough" is a euphemism similar to "have the balls". And what I mean is, instead of Stickman posting as if he is a victim, just come out and say that he is happy to take money from brothels and porn peddlers in spite of the fact he morally objects to prostitution and doesn't give a shit about being a hypocrit.

 

I am not suggesting anyone stop reading Stickman and if people like his column, great. I am simply pointing out the irrefutable fact that Stickman is a hypocrit.

 

For example, if I had a website/blog about my personal view of Thailand, and I got on my soapbox telling people about how I morally object to smoking. I am also a former smoker. And, on my site I had a banner ad for Marlboro. Would that make me a hypocrit? There are more subtle forms of hypocrasy, but this is black and white fellas.

[jxxxl]

MaiLuk said:

"Perhaps you should think this through before you make another attempt at an intelligent argument...

 

...I just feel obliged to add my two cents on this board when the subject of Stickman comes up. If YOU don't like it, tough shit."

 

There is something incongrous here :: HT should come back with "Well, if YOU don't like it, tough shit." That will rocket the debate into the *intelligent* leagues.

 

Speaking of intelligent, just read that those nazis in the USA are not mindless inert lumps of clay. "The American Nazi Party has volunteered to pick up trash along a quiet stretch of rural road in Oregon state, causing an uproar after getting a sign placed there crediting its work. "

 

Clever bunch. The sign reads "American Nazi Party"

 

Soory off topic. . Back to the stickman debate.

 

Hmmm, interesting Mai Luk. My comment, "Well, if YOU don't like it, tough shit" was directed at someone who had the absence of mind to tell me to "chill out" becuase he doesn't like his buddy being criticized.

 

Not sure whether your Nazi party story was an anology, but whatever.

[ALHOLK]

Hi!

 

It's the personal attacks here, I have a problem with.

 

Did you also have a problem with his and his mates personal attacks on me?

 

regards

 

ALHOLK

[ALHOLK]

Hi!

 

I hate to say this, but I think some people should drink more beer, at least when they drink they make more sense.

 

I hope you weren't refering to me. If drink more beer I won't be able to reach the keyboard from my position on the floor.

 

If you don't like the guy, why read what he writes?

 

Good advice. I stopped reading his column a long time ago.

 

regards

 

ALHOLK

[lembeh]

 

>Well High Thaied, that is certainly an "intelligent" argument. Too bad you don't understand the issue. Let me describe it simply and perhaps you can make another attempt at an intelligent argument.

 

>If you denounce something publicly (i.e., prostitution), you are then a hypocrit if you commercially benefit from that which you denounce.

 

>Perhaps you should think this through before you make another attempt at an intelligent argument.

 

 

 

I dunno. I thought the definition of a "flame" was an attack on the *poster* instead of the *post*. By which definition, I would suggest you have flamed both HT and stick (who is also a poster here if I recall correctly). Surprised the mods are letting this slip.

 

 

Anyway, I personally do not get why you get so bent out of shape over this. Life is really too short to worry over things like this. Last I read, being a hypocrit (*If* stick was) is not a capital offense, and indeed, I do not think it even incurs any jail time....so all it really comes down to is vague "moral judgements", yours against others. Honestly, what *is* the point?

-j-

[Stickman]

So we could say that my site is the trashy tabloid of Basngkok sites? Hey, I'd be quite happy with that title! I used to read The Sun when I was in the UK so it is a good fit!

 

Stick