Steve

Doesn't matter Cav. Even if its all true, your side lost. And if your side can't do anything about it controlling the WH, SC and Senate, you don't deserve to be in power.

For those who are steeped in English football chants. "Ramsfeld went to Italy to see the Pope. Ramsfeld went to Italy to see the Pope. Ramsfeld went to Italy to see the Pope and this is what he said "Who the fuck is Ramsfeld>" 😁

No matter what we think of Trump personally and those he supports, he is the de facto head of the party. Who else carries as much weight within the party and with the masses? If someone is running for dog catcher and he says the guy is no good, the guy won't get votes. Simple as that. There are very few people immune.

good riddance https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sheldon-adelson-obituary-131047045.html

As it stands now. Trump is kingmaker. No one gets elected if he says he doesn't like them. If he can't or won't run in 2024, who gets the nod? He will want his son. Others will try and out-trump Trump and it won't work.

Moore is one of the most astute commentators on politics I've seen. Yeah, sounds a bit crazy to say that but he hits points and comes to fruition. He was one of the first to call the Trump election in '16.

BB, I beg to differ. Cav is a loyal American and were he at the Capital building and handed a gun he would have shot those traitors for sullying and desecrating "the people's house".

...one more thing. The mayor of DC was denied a request to bring in the National Guard. Can anyone tell me any time EVER in recent history where a mayor or governor was denied help from the national guard? Ever?

I'm Sure Coss, Cav, Penis, BB and everyone will support me in bringing back public hangings once we round up the traitors. There are now rumors that a few Congressmen helped.

Let me give some clarity to my freedom of speech posts. Have we seen our freedom of speech eroded over the years? Certainly, no question. The question before is, has their been a sudden decreasing recently? And if its yes, then be specific. No one is giving specifics. We know why.

Oh, by the way, inquiring minds want to know. What are your thoughts on the 'great patriotic revolution' at the Capital building of traitors?

WHEN has that changed?

give specifics. I can say right to life is under threat and it means nothing.

Why is it under threat? I have the same free speech rights today that I had a year ago. NOTHING has changed for Americans.

While I personally believe its Nixon, without question, history has been written before our eyes. Trump will be known as the worst president in American history by some distance. His supporters can say whatever they want but it will be like a Nixon supporter in 1075 a year after he resigns saying he is one of the best. There is no debate, or argument.

What specifically is wrong with free speech in America? Again, why is this an issue now?

The possibility or maybe probability of impeachment, charges, etc has bitch slapped Trump into what my grandmother used to some 'act right'. HAHAHAHA. He is trying to sound presidential, conceding, etc. How you deal with a bully? Force. Its all they understand. No talking, no time out, no compromise, you deal with a bully harder than he does with you. What worked in 5th grade, works with malcontent presidents.

Also, what exactly recently that has happened that we should consider breaking up FB and others? First time this has even been a topic on here as far as I can remember.

The govt that has done a lot of things history has found to be the wrong thing. That said, a Republican controlled WH and Congress will likely try it is my guess if it was going to be tried. Something like that has to be bipartisan. Ma Bell was bipartisan. Not as likely Dems will go for it. They don't like FB but for the opposite reasons Republicans don't.

Tucker Carlson former (because he was fired by Fox NOT by Tucker). said blatantly racist things using an anonymous name online. There was no wiggle room. There was no coded speech that could have been misinterpreted. He dropped more N bombs than an NWA record. Among other things. Tucker responded on his show, not bay saying he was outraged but by how the guy's life is now ruined. He and Tucker are (not were) very good friends. Tucker knew this guys personal views and had no issue with him co-writing the copy that was said on air. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media/tucker-carlson-writer-blake-neff/index.html

That's business.

Tucker Carlson is possibly the most dangerous man in America. He's smarter, savvier than Trump. He's a white nationalist. He says just enough populism to fool people. He will say the Capital building is wrong because by not doing so, he can be attacked. He loved it. 75 million Americans loved seeing the Capital building stormed. Tucker is a hypocrite. He was calling for police and government crackdown on the BLM protests, not just in the streets but in the media. But its different when its 'his side'. It is the right wing groups and individuals that has done almost all the threatening of politicians with bodily harm, ,made plots, went to state houses with guns, etc. Trump's own Justice Department and FBI have found organized Antifa and BLM plots to do anyone any harm. There is also plenty of evidence of undercover cops and right wing groups infiltrating protests and damaging property in order to derail protests. Is the left morally and ethically pristine. No, no movement of any scale ever is. But its not even deemed a threat to the public's safety by the opposition party's own law enforcement agency. This is not even a debate anymore. The majority of Americans, The ones that outvoted the right, has deemed it so by the facts. Bitch and complain about it but there will be a (well needed) crackdown. I have posted links that showed the government has said police departments nationally and the military has been infiltrated by white supremacists. 3 administrations (Bush, Obama and Trump) ignored it and did nothing. Now its coming home to roost. The fact is this for you non Americans on here. The right knows it has lost the ideological fight. They voted in record turnout and lost all 3 branches. They know the young people, the Gen Y and Gen Z are even farther left than anyone else. The future of America is going from center left to far left. The right wants to destroy that America and either rebuild it in its image or fight for a free state by dividing up the country. They discuss this in secret chatrooms, private conversations. Plenty of dog whistling people out there. They have convinced themselves the most American and patriotic thing they can do is destroy the present America, ignore its constitution and laws. The establishment right, even McConnell doesn't want this. Why? There goes their power. In the 2016 primaries there were other Republicans with a better business record (Herman Can, Carly Fiorina). There candidates who were far more ideologically conservative. There were other candidates, all of them actually, far more moral and ethical. Why did Trump emerge the winner? The ONLY difference between Trump and the rest was he was far, far more bigoted. He was the only one who was publicly bigoted. That was what won him the election because the right wing, not all, but too many are bigoted and xenophobic. America promotes itself as a land of diversity, because it is. America's very wealth was built on the backs of slave and cheap labor from all across the world. Now, some of them want to remake it with only a segment. Its too late. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. America invited the worlds poor or stole them to build itself and now wants to renege on that promise.

The free speech argument works best for public funded libraries. The public tax dollars. Same for school lessons, school libraries. Facebook and Twitter are not paid for with tax dollars. The stockholders in Facebook have the say. Just like how liberals can't tell Rupert Murdoch to be fair and balanced. I'm not a fan of Youtube's, Facebook's filtering but at the end of the day I can start my own platform. Because its so widely used, FB, Youtube and Twitter are seen as public utilities. They aren't.

First amendment sets limit on free speech. It specifically gives an example like 'yelling fire in a crowded theatre'. The law was meant to stop the government from people criticizing it. That's the primary one. Of course there are others. Free speech has always been curbed when it causes physical harm or incites someone to cause physical harm and you know it. Free speech was never that you can say whatever. For example. Libraries can not have books on bombmaking. In a totally free speech environment that would be allowed. There is also the 'reasonable expectation' doctrine where you know your speech will likely incite someone to harm others.

Classic deflection...lol. No response if the Capital building invasion was wrong or right. Just "It may be wrong to ban Trump on twitter'. Which is mainly a tacit approval of the Capital building mob by another means.