elef Posted September 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Hi, I buy my sort gulds in Denmark or Germany (just 3 SEK) and it's just 5.8 %! elef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafan Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Singha is my fave... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elef Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Carlsberg ?could find it hard to get re-established? Published on September 12, 2005 Despite the settlement late last month of a bitter dispute between former joint-venture partners Chang Beverages Co and Denmark?s Carlsberg Co, the Danish beer will find it difficult to resurrect itself in the Thai market, given the large number of players in all price segments and its dented image among Thai drinkers, market observers said in interviews last week. The Bt80-billion local beer industry is dominated by two major players. Thai Beverage Co, the maker of Chang Beer and the newer Archa Beer, has a combined market share of 50 per cent. Boonrawd Brewery Co, owner of Singha and Leo beers, controls about 40 per cent. For many decades, Singha had a market share of over 80 per cent, until the introduction in 1994 of the lower-priced Chang, or Elephant, brand. The conflict between Chang Beverages, a subsidiary of whisky tycoon Charoen Siriwadhanabhakdi?s Thai Beverage, and Carlsberg Breweries started when Carlsberg dropped Chang representatives from its Asian joint venture Carlsberg Asia Pte based in Singapore in June 2003. Carlsberg said the venture - a Thai sales and distribution company - had not ?developed according to expectations?, with the activities that Chang was supposed to contribute being ?smaller and different businesses? than originally assumed. In February 2004, Carlsberg Brewery (Thailand), a joint venture between Carlsberg and Charoen, halted local production and sales of its beer because of the dispute with the parent company in Denmark. After the disappearance of Carlsberg from the Thai market for nearly two years, Carlsberg and Chang last month announced in Copenhagen that they had agreed on an ?amicable? settlement of the matters in dispute between them. In the August 31 settlement, Carlsberg agreed to pay Chang Beverages US$120 million (Bt4.9 billion) in return for full ownership of the Singapore-based Brewery Invest Co, the Hong Kong company Carlsberg Brewery and minority stakes in breweries in South Korea and Laos. The settlement ended legal proceedings in London and Bangkok. In a press release, Carlsberg announced that it had also been agreed that the parties would explore the possibility of working together in the markets of Thailand and Malaysia. Nils Smedegaard Andersen, Carlsberg chief executive, told the Financial Times in London that the settlement was a good step in Carlsberg?s expansion programme for Asia. Running a successful beer business in Thailand requires many crucial factors, among them an in-depth understanding of Thai consumers and their drinking habits, a strong dealer network and deep connections with opinion leaders, particularly in upcountry communities. ?It will be tough for Carlsberg to find a knowledgeable, experienced partner in the Thai beer market,? the source said. He said that it was impossible for Carlsberg to join with Thai Asia Pacific Brewery, which makes and distributes Heineken beer in Thailand, as both compete in all international markets. It would also be difficult for Carlsberg to join with Boonrawd Brewery as Boonrawd has a strong business relationship with Asahi beer of Japan. ?Carlsberg itself did not withdraw from the Thai market as the winner, but the loser. The brand has been damaged in the consumer?s eyes,? said the source. He said that existing players would think very carefully about whether a partnership with Carlsberg would be worth it. ?For myself, it would be quite difficult to try to make Carlsberg Beer return successfully in Thailand,? said the source. Thanit Thammasukkati, a former adviser to Thai Beverage, said the settlement would not effect Chang Beer. ?Our Chang factory is now running to fill a shortage of domestic supply. We right now have no plans to produce for somebody else,? said Thanit. Somchai Suthikulpanich, managing director of Chang International Co Ltd, said the settlement was a good ending between the two parties. He added that if Carlsberg and Chang ever re-established a partnership, they would have to ?start from zero?. Kwanchai Rungfapaisarn The Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli13 Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Dammit carlsberg - give it up for good here or hire me for the bkk office to e.g. help with selecting the 'carlsberg girls' who are a crucial part of successfull marketing in LOS While you're away Tiger have probably picked up whatever foreign market share there was to grab why no mention of that important bit in the article? How about some belgian beers instead in the gogos & pubs say hoegarden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALHOLK Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hi! While you're away Tiger have probably picked up whatever foreign market share This is absoluty correct. Tiger turned up just a couple of months after Carlsberg was gone. How about some belgian beers instead in the gogos & pubs say hoegarden? I doubt that. Although Belgian ale is great it is lager that is internationally viable. Stella is a perfectly drinkable lager but not really great. regards ALHOLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli13 Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I was thinking more ala the witbiers(hoegarden a more famous one having already made it on tap in SE & DK etc) just like he germans fame of erdinger, fransiskaner & paulaner etc.? Perhaps the best plan is for carlsberg to try & setup a microbrewery ala tawan deang & make its way in via the 'backdoor'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjann Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 i'm not a Lager drinker,but have no choice in many Countries. i like Stella as it is quite smooth and goes down easily,but also gets me pissed very quickly............ once a Month one of my local Pubs has a Hoegarden Night with very cheap prices. oh dear,sometimes difficult to find my home......... i had the most awful experience the other Night. my choice of Bitter had run out and then the Stella ran out and i had no choice but to drink Fosters.... never again,what shite.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALHOLK Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 It could have been worse mate. You could have ended up drinking Bud light or Millers Draught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Sayjan, give me the Dogs Bollocks or Abbott and I'll be quite content....Newcastle Brown Ale is paletable too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgianBoy Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 lazyphil said:Sayjan, give me the Dogs Bollocks or Abbott and I'll be quite content....Newcastle Brown Ale is paletable too! No Belgian beer in your corner of the world ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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