JayT Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 By PETER GELLING Published: June 10, 2008 MANIS LOR, Indonesia â?? President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono signed a decree on Monday ordering members of a minority Muslim sect to stop practicing their form of Islam or face arrest. Members of the sect, known as Ahmadiyah, do not believe that Muhammad was the last prophet, contrary to a central tenet of mainstream Islam. They have been the victims of violent attacks by extremists in recent years. Mr. Yudhoyono, who is expected to seek re-election next year, has been caught between moderate Muslim and human rights groups that are fighting for pluralism in Indonesia and fundamentalist Muslim organizations that are pressing for the country to adopt Shariah law and become an Islamic state. About 5,000 members of a group calling itself United for Islam demonstrated Monday outside the presidential palace in Jakarta, demanding that Ahmadiyah be banned. Although the wording of the decree did not explicitly ban the group, it warned Ahmadiyah members that they were no longer free to practice their religion and strongly encouraged them to â??return to mainstream Islam,â? according to Bonaventura Nainggolan, a spokesman for the Indonesian attorney general. â??The government decree forbids Ahmadiyah from spreading their religion and calls for it to halt all its religious activities,â? he said. Indonesiaâ??s Constitution guarantees freedom of worship, but a national law allows only five official religions: Islam, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism and Buddhism. About 90 percent of Indonesiaâ??s 240 million people are Muslim. â??We are doing nothing wrong,â? said Kulman Trisna Prawira, 67, an Ahmadiyah elder. â??We are harmless. We are peaceful. We donâ??t do anything but pray. We will follow the presidentâ??s order, but we arenâ??t going to change our beliefs.â? The decision is certain to anger human rights groups and moderate Muslim organizations that work to promote pluralism in Indonesia. A prominent group of human rights lawyers said it planned to challenge the crackdown on Ahmadiyah in court. â??The governmentâ??s action today, to stop the activity of Ahmadiyah, is clearly against the Constitution,â? said Uli Parulian Sihombing, a lawyer who represents minority religious groups. â??We will be bringing this to court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 << Ahmadiyya is a name used for two religious communities that arose out of Islam towards the end of the 19th century, originating with the life and teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (d. 1908) from Qadian, in Punjab, India. Members of these communities call themselves Ahmadi Muslims. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to have fulfilled the prophecies about the world reformer of the end times who was to herald the Eschaton as predicted in the traditions of various world religions, the Mujaddid (divine reformer) of the 14th Islamic century, the promised Messiah (â??Second Coming of Christâ?Â) and Mahdi. Ahmadis consider themselves Muslims and claim to practice the Islam that was taught and practiced by Muhammad and his companions. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad founded the movement in 1889 and termed it the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat (community) envisioning it to be a revitalization of Islam. However, Ahmadis are not considered to be Muslims by Sunnis and Shias. The movement has been established in 190 countries. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 In the USA, several Native American religious practices are outlawed even though the USA has 'freedom of religion'. When it comes to 'freedom of religion', if a person should get for themselves a fine 2 year bull that hasn't been with a cow, and if they lead the bull to the end of the town/city with one hand and in the other hand they have a large copper basin and strapped to their waist is a very long knife, I doubt they would get to the outshirts of the city/town, let alone cut the throat of the bull and drain the blood into the copper basin without being arrested. But yet that is what some people mentioned in the Bible used to do. Figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 << In the USA, several Native American religious practices are outlawed even though the USA has 'freedom of religion'. >> Such as killing endangered and protected wildlife species? Polygamy is outlawed, even though Islam and some sects of Mormonism advocate it. And how about female genital mutilation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayT Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 In the USA, several Native American religious practices are outlawed even though the USA has 'freedom of religion'. Do you know which ones and why? When it comes to 'freedom of religion', if a person should get for themselves a fine 2 year bull that hasn't been with a cow, and if they lead the bull to the end of the town/city with one hand and in the other hand they have a large copper basin and strapped to their waist is a very long knife, I doubt they would get to the outshirts of the city/town, let alone cut the throat of the bull and drain the blood into the copper basin without being arrested. But yet that is what some people mentioned in the Bible used to do Are the Ahmadiyah sacrificing animals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 I know some tribes use eagles in their rites, but eagles are protected. What else is banned? Isn't peyote legal in certain rites? Some of the Pacific NW Injuns are pissed off about limiting their right to catch salmon or whales. Don't know that it's anything religious though. The Ahmadiyah are peaceul and harm no one or anything. They are to Islam sort of like Mormons are to traditional Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Peyote is legal only to a certain point. The rule of thumb is not to get caught with any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 <> only became protected and endangered when euro losers came to america and started to slaughter everything with a pulse!!!. before that things were sustainable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted June 13, 2008 Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 Gotta point there. With only a few million people in North America, things must have been a lot different. Just as Britain was covered with forests and filled with wild life before the Germanic losers came from the continent to screw up the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayT Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2008 BBC Link The Ahmadiyah are peaceul and harm no one or anything. They are to Islam sort of like Mormons are to traditional Christianity. Seems a fair analogy. only became protected and endangered when euro losers came to america and started to slaughter everything with a pulse!!!. before that things were sustainable! Buffalo anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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