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1 hour ago, Flashermac said:

I've never seen anything like that before, and I've been around for three-quarters of a century.

 

That's because has never been someone so unsuited to the office of POTUS, in the job before, even the real bastards of the past were good at what they did.

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2 hours ago, Flashermac said:

But do they try to keep his cabinet members from dining in public? Stage protests at their home? Call for them to be hounded any time they go out in public? I've never seen anything like that before, and I've been around for three-quarters of a century.

 

Separate issue that I may address as this is specific to Trump's North Korea efforts. If you may recall, Trump as well as members of Congress were openly advocating for the Nobel Peace prize after the first meeting he initiated with the North Korean leader. So, for now, lets focus on that and let's establish that his failure so far with them, has nothing to do with Democrat opposition. 

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48 minutes ago, chocolat steve said:

Separate issue that I may address as this is specific to Trump's North Korea efforts. If you may recall, Trump as well as members of Congress were openly advocating for the Nobel Peace prize after the first meeting he initiated with the North Korean leader. So, for now, lets focus on that and let's establish that his failure so far with them, has nothing to do with Democrat opposition. 

Democrats Childishly Resist Trump’s North Korea Efforts

The Dems are not hindering the NK talks? Really? NY Times thinks different (and they are no friend of President Trump)...and the Nobel Peace prize ain't what it used to be...

Shock! Horror! President Trump is actually doing something right.

Sadly, Democrats in Congress are responding in a quite Trumpian way: They seem more concerned with undermining him than supporting a peace process with North Korea. They are on the same side as National Security Adviser John Bolton, quietly subverting attempts to pursue peace.

While international security is complicated, here’s a rule of thumb: When you find yourself on the same side as Bolton, go back and re-examine your position...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/opinion/north-korea-summit-trump-kim.html

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Actually, both sides agreed on pre-conditions and the ultimate goal for any discussions by both parties was a de-nuclearized North Korean peninsula. That is Trump's ultimate goal.What is different this time around is the 'how' to negotiate with them. One of the things that both parties agreed on was that talks must include Japan, Korea and China. Trump didn't do that. Fair enough, that's his policy with regards to North Korea specifically. 

As we all know, Trump met with them without pre-conditions, it initially seemed a success with both sides speaking glowingly about the other and since then its deteriorated with North Korea testing missiles again. That has nothing to do with the Democrats criticizing. I fail to see a direct line from Democratic criticism to North Korean missile testing. 

Democratic opposition would play a role once an actual deal was struck but we are far away from that possibility. If anything, the South Korean leader has been more effective and more deserving of a Nobel prize. Also, how Bolton differs from everyone is that he is willing to risk war to bring the North Koreans in line. No one wants that. 

Trump tried something new. He made a good faith effort, and I applaud him for that. It didn't work. Again, no crime in that. If he was wise, he would review his methods and alter it. Blaming the Dems for its failure doesn't seem to be an accurate account of events. 

North Korea vitally depends on China economically, not having the Chinese involved is probably a mistake but I can understand as doing so would give the Chinese leverage in the trade dispute. But that's global politics. Many things are inter-connected. That's where a well thought out plan with a quality team comes into play. 

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13 hours ago, cavanami said:
13 hours ago, chocolat steve said:

Separate issue that I may address as this is specific to Trump's North Korea efforts. If you may recall, Trump as well as members of Congress were openly advocating for the Nobel Peace prize after the first meeting he initiated with the North Korean leader. So, for now, lets focus on that and let's establish that his failure so far with them, has nothing to do with Democrat opposition. 

Democrats Childishly Resist Trump’s North Korea Efforts

The Dems are not hindering the NK talks? Really? NY Times thinks different (and they are no friend of President Trump)...and the Nobel Peace prize ain't what it used to be...

Shock! Horror! President Trump is actually doing something right.

Sadly, Democrats in Congress are responding in a quite Trumpian way: They seem more concerned with undermining him than supporting a peace process with North Korea. They are on the same side as National Security Adviser John Bolton, quietly subverting attempts to pursue peace.

While international security is complicated, here’s a rule of thumb: When you find yourself on the same side as Bolton, go back and re-examine your position...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/06/opinion/north-korea-summit-trump-kim.html

Congratulations Cav - you've found a real pro Trump story, that must be heartening.

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No one in Congress, regardless of party, regardless of ideology within their parties will vote for a deal that does not result in North Korea removing nukes as well as full inspections. Any deal bereft of that is a non starter. Also, South Korea and Japan would be publicly opposed to such a deal as well. 

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