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English language quantifiers suck, too.

 

How many of us know what groups of gorilla, geese, turtles, rabbits, lemmings, etc. are called?

 

They sometimes use quantifiers at Quiz Night, too. Makes one scratch one's head and say, "Aren't they called...?"

 

What is our equivalent of "an"? A "bunch"

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KK,

 

You mean these? Please have them memorized before the next quiz!

 

Animal Name Collective Noun

Ant A colony

Antelope A herd

Ape A shrewdness

Ass / donkey A pace or herd

Baboons A troop

Bacteria A culture

Badger A cete

Bass A shoal

Bats A colony

Bear A sleuth or sloth

Beaver A colony

Bee A swarm, grist or hive

Bird A flock, flight, congregation or volery

Boar A sounder

Buck A brace or clash

Buffalo A herd or obstinacy

Camel A flock

Cat A clowder or clutter

Caterpillar An army

Cattle A herd or drove

Chicken A brood or peep

Chicks A clutch or chattering

Clam A bed

Cockroaches An intrusion

Cobra A quiver

Colt A rag

Cow A kine

Coyote A band

Crane A sedge or siege

Crocodile A float

Crow A murder

Cub A litter

Cur A cowardice

Curlew A herd

Deer A herd

Dog A pack

Donkey A herd or pace

Dove A dule

Dragon A weyr

Duck A brace, paddling or team

Elephant A herd

Elk A gang

Emus A mob

Falcons A cast

Ferret A business or fesnyng or cast

Finches A charm

Fish A school, shoal, run, haul, or catch

Fly A swarm or business

Fox A skulk or leash

Frog An army or colony

Geese A flock, gaggle or skein (in flight)

Giraffe A tower

Gnat A cloud or horde

Gnu An implausibilty or herd

Goat A herd, tribe or trip

Goldfinch A charm

Goldfish A troubling

Gorilla A band

Greyhound A leash

Grouse A covey or pack

Hare A down or husk

Hawk A cast or kettle

Hen A brood

Heron A hedge or sedge

Hippopotamus A bloat

Hog A drift, or parcel

Horse A team, pair or harras

Hound A pack, mute or cry

Jellyfish A smack

Kangaroo A troop or mob

Kitten A kindle or litter

Lark An ascension or exaultation

Leopard A leap

Lion A pride

Locust A plague

Magpie A tiding, gulp, charm or murder

Mallard A sord

Mare A stud

Marten A richness

Mouse A mischief

Mole A labour

Monkey A troop

Mule A barren or span

Otter A romp

Owls A parliament

Oxen A yoke, drove, team or herd

Oyster A bed

Parrot A company

Partridge A covey

Peacock A muster or ostentation or pride

Peep A litter

Penguin A parcel or huddles or colonies

Pheasant A nest, nide (nye) or bouquet

Pig A litter

Pigeon A flock or flight

Pony A string

Porpoise A pod

Quail A covey or bevy

Rabbit A nest

Rat A pack or swarm

Rattlesnake A rhumba

Raven An unkindness or storytelling

Rhino A crash or herd

Roebuck A bevy

Rook A building or clamour

Sardines A family

Seal A herd or pod

Sheep A drove or flock

Snake A nest

Sparrow A host

Squirrel A dray or scurry

Starling A murmuration

Stork A mustering

Swallow A flight

Swan A bevy, herd, lamentation or wedge

Swift A flock

Swine A sounder or drift

Tiger A swift or ambush

Toad A knot

Trout A hover

Turkey A rafter

Turtle A bale

Turtledove A pitying or dule

Viper A nest

Walrus A pod

Whale A school, gam or pod

Wolf A pack or route

Woodpecker A descent

Zebra A herd, zeal, dazzle, or crossing (joke)

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MadMax said:

My strategy up to this point has been to simply ignore the issue, but I am beginning to hear that it just sounds wrong ...............

Hi max,

It will sound wrong and you need to get used to using the correct construction. The easy answer, as someone else has suggested is to use "an", the default classifier. You will gradually pick up other more common ones.

As Jasmine indicates, I would be surprised if many Thai people themselves really have instant recall of all the classifiers and use the correct one 100% of the time.

Khwai

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Hi MadMax,

 

As long as you put the numeral after the noun, you are likely to be understood, even if you leave out the classifier/counter/quantifier.

 

I guess you have heard yourself how thai people occasionally drop the classifiers themselves in situations where they are busy in say restaurants: Coke Sorng, khao phat saam etc.

 

If you memorize a dozen or so of the most common classifiers and their use, you will do fine in most situations. And for the rest throw in the "Ahn" classifier as suggested by a number of other posters or leave it out alltogether.

And don`t miss the opportunity to ask the person you are having an conversation with, what is actually the correct classifier for the thing in question. You will most likely never forget that one again as you will recall the sitiation where you learnt it. Beats rote learning by a mile IMO :)

 

By the way, if you feel that learning to use the correct classifiers is the most difficult aspect of learning thai, I envy you :)

 

Cheers

Hua Nguu

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Hua Nguu said:

And don`t miss the opportunity to ask the person you are having an conversation with, what is actually the correct classifier for the thing in question. You will most likely never forget that one again as you will recall the sitiation where you learnt it. Beats rote learning by a mile IMO :)

How would you ask such question in Thai? Let's assume I asked the maid for two towels. How do I ask her what the classifier for towel is?

Hua Nguu said:

By the way, if you feel that learning to use the correct classifiers is the most difficult aspect of learning thai, I envy you :)

I'm afraid you envy my ignorance! What do you think is the most difficult aspect of learning Thai?

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Hi MadMax,

 

The grammatical term for quantifier is Lak-sa-na-naam, but I wouldn`t put too much trust in that you will be understood, as many thai people are not particularly well acquainted with grammatical expressions. Cannot blame them, neither am I :o

Don`t know a more common expression and just asked the missus, she doesn`t know one either.

 

Most difficult aspect IMO, definitely the spelling!

So many loan words with irregular spellings and so many consonants - particularly the P, K and T`s. ::

When I encounter a new word, I am never really sure I get the spelling right, although I am familiar with the tone rules.

 

cheers

Hua Nguu

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