Flashermac Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Hecklers harass families of US soldiers killed in Iraq Mar 12, 2006 AFP Five women sang and danced as they held up signs saying "thank God for dead soldiers" at the funeral of an army sergeant who was killed by an Iraqi bomb. For them, it was the perfect way to spread God's word: America was being punished for tolerating homosexuality. For the hundreds of flag waving bikers who came to this small town in Michigan Saturday to shield the soldier's family, it was disgusting. "That could be me in that church," said Jackie Sandler whose son Keith is currently serving his second tour of duty in Iraq. The fringe group of fire and brimstone Baptists from Kansas has been courting controversy for more than 15 years, traveling the country with their hateful signs and slogans. The Westboro Baptist Church first gained national notoriety when they picked the funeral of Matthew Shepard, a Wyoming student who was murdered in 1998 for being gay. They have since picketed the funerals of Frank Sinatra and Bill Clinton's mother, celebrated the terrorist attacks of September 11 as an act of God's wrath, and have even targeted Santa Claus and the Ku Klux Klan. But it was the callousness and cruelty of harassing the grieving families of soldiers at dozens of funerals across the country that has sparked a grassroots movement of bikers determined to drown out the jeers and taunts. In Flushing, Michigan they turned their leather-clad backs to the five women and held flags and tarps up so that mourners walking past wouldn't see the signs saying "God hates fags," "fag vets" and "America is doomed." Many found it hard to hide their anger when Margie Phelps, the daughter of Westboro's founder, called out "All this for little old us? Oh, you shouldn't have. I feel so special," before she started singing "the Pope, the Pope, the Pope is on fire. He don't get no water let the heretics burn" in front of a Catholic church. The glee with which the women hurled insults made John Franklin, 64, sick to his stomach. "This guy's family deserves a peaceful funeral. It's not right what they're doing," said Franklin, who fought in the Vietnam War. "The only reason they're able to walk around like that is because the veterans fought for their freedom." While Westboro's congregation remains stable at around 100 people - most of whom are the extended family of founder Fred Phelps - the ranks of the Patriot Guard Riders has swelled to more than 16,000 in just a few months. The protests come at a time when many Americans think the war in Iraq was a mistake but are anxious to show their support for the troops. Four states have enacted legislation barring protests at funerals and a dozen more are in the process of introducing bans. But it is unlikely that the bans will stand up to legal challenge. The group is careful to protest in public spaces and is well aware of its constitutional rights - 11 of Phelps' 13 children are lawyers. "This nation is poised to trash the first amendment just to stop my preaching," Fred Phelps said in a telephone interview. "I'm kind of honored." Phelps said he and his congregants are targeting the funerals because God's way of punishing an "evil nation" of "fags and fag enablers" is to "pick off its children." "I don't have any sympathy for these parents. They're all going to hell," Phelps said. "The family's in pain because they haven't obeyed the Lord God." The group is so outrageous that some among the extreme-right have speculated that Phelps is a plant aimed at giving the anti-gay movement a bad name, said Mark Potok, the director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate crimes. "I don't think they have any constituency beyond their own members - even the Nazis aren't interested," he said. Phelps' virulence and frequently graphic condemnations of anal sex could mask a deeper issue than a radically literal interpretation of the Bible, Potok speculated. "This man probably thinks more about gay sex than any other person in the United States of America and one can only guess at what that means," he said. "Many of the most homophobic people are deeply afraid that they might be gay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous_Dog Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Bizzare! Can;t think of anything remotely christian about them DOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted March 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 More like the Manson Family ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjann Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 and again the Government is slow in stopping these protests. i know everyone has a right to have an opinion and express but when it is so offensive to others downright nasty it should be stopped immediately by the Police and let it be sorted out afterwards. whatever the rights and wrongs of the War in Iraq the Families of the dead do not deserve this perverse filth. and we all know what will happen at the next Funeral when a mourner attacks one of the fanatics............they will be the one arrested and banged up.... as you know we have protests in the UK which advocate the murder of UK Citizens and again nothing is done about it by the Authorities.......... could'nt they all be arrested and taken to Area 51 and then the Government could deny all knowledge as the place does'nt exist............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun_Kong Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Obviously, no caring person agrees with the parents and friends of dead soldiers being harassed. However... sayjann said:and again the Government is slow in stopping these protests. The protests appear to be constitutional and lawful. i know everyone has a right to have an opinion and express but when it is so offensive to others downright nasty it should be stopped immediately by the Police and let it be sorted out afterwards. Whoa boy. We don't want the police to be acting as on the spot lawmakers/judges now, do we? Besides, who gets to decide "...when it is so offensive to others downright nasty"? whatever the rights and wrongs of the War in Iraq the Families of the dead do not deserve this perverse filth. Of course they don't. and we all know what will happen at the next Funeral when a mourner attacks one of the fanatics............they will be the one arrested and banged up.... As well they should be. For breaking the law. <snip> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Interesting character this Pastor Phelps. He seems to have a total hatred of homosexuals. Not sure where he stands on the Iraq war but he uses the funerals to draw attention to his anti-gay agenda it looks like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rev._Fred_Phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 on the other hand, I bet the shit would hit the fan if they were demonstrating outside a mosque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Or a church or a synagogue. Pastor Fred is just using the media and the free speech laws. He's full of hate but he's within the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Or a church or a synagogue. Pastor Fred is just using the media and the free speech laws. He's full of hate but he's within the law. just shows non-minority people have to put up with way more crap than anyone that can say "hate crime, discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 pasathai said: Or a church or a synagogue. Pastor Fred is just using the media and the free speech laws. He's full of hate but he's within the law. just shows non-minority people have to put up with way more crap than anyone that can say "hate crime, discrimination. Right. The theory being that putting up with crap gives the majority the moral high ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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