Julian2 Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Interesting, but then again, where did Osama come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidel Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 The 2 most problematic powers in the region are Israel and Saudi Arabia. Both of which are staunch US "allies". The Saudis to this day are funding the Taliban in Afghanistan and militant Sunnis in Pakistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 The eventual war will be between the Iranians and Saudi family. Shia v. sunni. The shia are livid about the house of Saud being the caretakers of the holy cities of mecca and medina. They think they are unworthy of it for a variety of reasons. Years ago, a shia even tried to carry out a terrorist act in mecca. Unheard of prior. When/if America leaves the shia in Iran and Syria will do battle with the house of Saud and their allies. The smart thing for the U.S. and the west to do is leave the region completely. History has shown that when the middle east moslems are left without a common enemy they fought amongst themselves. Only the Ottomon Turks could control most of it before they lost control after the world war for taking the wrong side. The Saudi presence is really against the shia taking over Iraq and having a foothold on their border. its not necessarily against the U.S. we're just caught up in it as we're there. There is a civil war of sorts going on there. The country can only be united under an iron hand like Saddam, save that it will be split 2 if not 3 ways with Turkey playing a prominent role in the north to stop a kurdish state from happening and providing a platform for their own kurdish problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted July 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 "The smart thing for the U.S. and the west to do is leave the region completely. History has shown that when the middle east moslems are left without a common enemy they fought amongst themselves. Only the Ottomon Turks could control most of it before they lost control after the world war for taking the wrong side". If you believe, as I do that, that the US presence in the Middle East is all about oil supplies they're hardly likely to pull out and risk losing them. I agree absolutely about Turkey and the Kurds, who would appear to be victims again under any solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 I think US involvement is as much about protecting Israel as it is about oil. Deals can always be made with dictators about oil....they can't drink the stuff. Nothing is going to change the fact that Israel is hated and resented in the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 The Qu'ran says Jews are the enemy. (They were Muhammad's main rivals in the 7th Century, with several Arab tribes accepting Judaism instead of Islam.) Hard for the Islamic countries to accept a Jewish state on their borders. Quite clearly the Arab states don't give a fruit cake for the Palestinians, or they'd have done a lot more for them. The real problem is they hate the Jews for being in Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 I think they fear Jews in a way. They are afraid of their superior business skills and their influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 No moslem country is going to ever try and invade Israel again. Israel now has the bomb. The story is we gave it to them after the '73 war and leaked it to the arab states that they have it so that there will no longer be attempted invasions like the '67 and '73 wars. Its common knowledge they have it. So, Israel is sorted. I think we are there for oil but not just for us. America needs the oil for sure, but so does the west and the rest of the world and I think that our government thinks that it must ensure the flow so that not only our economy but the global economy doesn't suffer. Oil access dries up and there is a world recession. As much as europeans cry about our presence their, their governments are pragmatists and want us to ensure the flow of oil and keep the carriers in the gulf to ensure that. Their economies are dependent on us buying their goods and services. And we depend on them. All this talk about and happiness about changing of the dollar, etc. that will bring down the 'evil' uS will also bring down the economies of europe because of the massive trade surplus and billions that is spent here on european goods and services. Not to mention China who is dependent on us to keep buying their manufactured goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Sure for the US it is mainly about oil and trying to keep the people of the region from each others throats. But I think the Arabs fear Israel for several reasons and not just because they have nuclear weapons aimed at every Arab city. Rightly or wrongly they think Israel has expansive ambitions. From an Arab perspective they may be more of a threat at peace than at war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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