think_too_mut Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 "The original poster in particular seems to get carried away heaping ridicule on poor Otto ("gargantuan geek", "grossly fat"). I'd thought that intelligent folks would have stopped making fun of people's physical shortcomings by the time they're 14 or 15." Sorry to say this but physical appearance + age of a customer/"dalink" is, IMHO what dooms many of the farang/BG relationships. I agree we should not be pinpointing things like that but the trouble starts when we forget the facts or think of ourselves much higher than what others are seeing us as. How the hell could a 52yr old, bald, fat, big guy attract a 25yr old girl after only a week or so together? How could he attract anyone at all? Had not Otto "stopped making fun of people's physical shortcomings by the time they're 14 or 15." he would not have been in for a high jump. He would have been more realistic. One more: I asked one BG I got friendly with how does she feel when somebody like Otto gets her. She replied, referring to X-rated tapes - "know movies with gils and dogs? Same-same. Think money". And the guy is thinking somebody has finally realised how "hansom" he is! That must be it: Thailand, an illusion. Without it this board would have been much poorer in members and contents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbastard33 Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 Originally posted by Scum_Baggio: "The original poster in particular seems to get carried away heaping ridicule on poor Otto ("gargantuan geek", "grossly fat"). I'd thought that intelligent folks would have stopped making fun of people's physical shortcomings by the time they're 14 or 15." Couldn't agree more Scum Baggio. Why don't people give us a break? "We are human beings" (sob! sob!), "we do have feelings" (sob! sob!), "take us for our minds not how our bodies look" (sob! sob!) etc. etc............ ..................................... Fatbastard33 PS I do get a bit pissed off when Thai ladies point to my stomach: "You have baby?" "Yes I say, two babies, Baby Carlsberg and Baby Heineken - they due in 3 months time" PPS My fight against anorexia has been a great success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanemay Posted October 3, 2001 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Well Fellows, I've read the responses so far and they are very interesting. I will respond a little out of the order received. josh_ingu was the first to question the "vitrole" I heap on Otto. I had difficulty with that too, but Jesus he is just beyond the beyond. No doubt the fact that he is screwing with my girlfriend has something to do with the intensity of my reaction. To those that thought I was fat bashing: I am not PC about fat, sorry. It is something I fight and control. If someone like Otto wants to committ hare kare with a knife and fork and bottle I wish he would do it in such a way that he doesn't make a gross spectacle of himself. These folks, the morbidly obese, are all over the US waddling around and making like everyone should respect them. If we don't we're not PC. That's one thing I love about LOS, it ain't PC. You don't see any fat, old, ugly stewardses on Thai Air. Or China Air. No, I have to wait until I get home for that. I wrote this piece knowing that there were some fat guys on the board, but thinking none had yet been led to be so pathetic and vulnerable as Otto. I met Fatbastard33 awhile back and he wasn't that fat and we know he is not anything like Otto. I think Otto's physical condition has gotten him into this. This was supposed to be a warning to all of us. Scum_Baggio I am sorry to get on your wrong side because I have a lot of respect for you. But you are telling me to be PC "I'd thought that intelligent folks would have stopped making fun of people's physical shortcomings by the time they're 14 or 15." I just refuse to be PC. This isn't a "color of their skin" thing you know. This is something people have a measure of control over. I am really happy to see guys with disabilities smiling in the LOS. Guys in wheel chairs or being helped along by their girlfriends. Or really short guys or old guys. These are conditions they can't control. Anyway, I wasn't using Otto as a vehicle to fat bash, although it may have seemed that way to those sensitive about weight or the PC set. There were a couple of posts suggesting my GF was either exaggerating or manipulating. She has been telling me her stories for a long time. Another guy gave her 30,000 baht the first time. None of this has anything to do with us. She talks to me as a friend, not a customer. I give her less money now than ever. When she left after a week I put 8,000 baht in her purse. She didn't look at it or count it. I wondered if she would be upset when she did. The day after she arrived back in BKK she wrote me the most romantic letters I have ever received. A little bit: "Hello my darling, In the morning I forget something at your room . I keep everything already but I forget my heart return .I hope you take care it until we will see together again'I hope you can help me.This week I am happy so much.I can't forget it. It will be in my remember always." (I know the cynics out there will eat this up and spit me out for believing it at all, but we do have a good thing going.) The posts about her possibly being hoodwinked by a pimp caught me out completely. I didn't know about it. A lot of men have fallen in love with her (sigh!) and taken her home so I think Otto is just another one. She is quite intelligent, speaks German, has lived in Germany, has even married a German. Also she is not a sexy beauty. Not exportable prostitute material I don't think. But I will try to ask her about this angle if I can get it through the language barrier. Thanks. Zane May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Zane, you are conveniently hiding behind your hip non-PC facade by targetting Otto as the cause of your frustration and woes. The reality is that the best girls eventually leave the game when a permanent offer comes along even if from guys like Otto. If you simply want to have casual fun without committing, some other guy will. Many of us have experienced the loss of a special Thai girl from the scene. Personally, it's happened numerous times over the past 13 years. It's best to take in stride until the next one comes along. If you can accept this then you'll have a much better time in Thailand. If you can't handle it then commit to the girl yourself. The choice is yours. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatbastard Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 The thing that people like "Otto" Don't quite understand is that initially these girls require only the basic human needs like survival and then security. So a fat unattractive man with money fills the need. Once these two requirements have been fulfilled the "expectations" quickly esculate and they look at their unattractive partner and think "Now I'm in "where ever" I can have my security wrapped up in a more attractive package. So they usually wind up with a much more eye pleasing, younger and virile version. Poor old Otto, none the wiser, plods back to Thailand and starts again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Zane May, I really don't understand your intentions of your post. You say you don't want to lose her and you refer to you as your girlfriend. You are kidding, right? Why do you even care about her and what she decides? Let her take the money if that is the way she wants to go. Now if you really do like her and don't want her to see other men, then why don't you do something about it. Are you unable to take the bulls by the horn and control the situation? Or is this about you not having enough money to control her affection/feelings towards you or what? Or, are you being selfish and don't want her to go because then you can't call her up when you want yet you have many other women so you don't want to commit to her exclusively. Having your cake and eat it, too? I don't mean to be harsh but be definitive and decisive in your thinking and actions. Your words (not necessarily you) reminds me of guys dreaming and talking about how they are going to conquer and change the world for the better yet 10 years later, they are still doing the same thing talking the same old stuff. Take this famous quote to heart "you must be the change for change to happen" No excuses and whinning from this point further. Respectfully, Cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Nomad: The reality is that the best girls eventually leave the game when a permanent offer comes along even if from guys like Otto. If you simply want to have casual fun without committing, some other guy will. Many of us have experienced the loss of a special Thai girl from the scene. Interesting. Yes, this has happened to me. I did not realize it was so common. My GF of one year (spent probably 7 months of that together) left a few months ago to marry. Tough to let her go. Good ones that you click with take quite a bit of work to find. He was not quite so pathetic as Otto, but certainly fat (over two and a half times her small 40Kg weight we figured!) and 13 years older. She had no major financial incentive, except the opportunity to live in the States and be with someone she liked OK and who good care of her. Yep, I was unwilling to commit, and that was that. Damn, I miss her! Zane, I don't know why you keep refering to 8000B for a week as just a little bit of money! Seems well within the standard rate range for long term sex-work in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 quote: Originally posted by worldwalker: Interesting. Yes, this has happened to me ... Yep, I was unwilling to commit, and that was that. Damn, I miss her! I know how you feel. I let a couple of Thai girls slip through my fingers over the years who I ended missing far more than I had expected. I was probably either too complacent or confident back then that I could easily replace them. As though I could get the girl with the perfect combination of beauty and personality off the rack (heck, I wanted the perfect rack as well). Anyway, since I only wanted casual relationships, I had no right to hold them back if they wanted serious commitment, marriage, kids, or whatever. I had my moment of casual fun with them and knew it was time to move on. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Nomad: I let a couple of Thai girls slip through my fingers over the years who I ended missing far more than I had expected. Cheers Hmmm...I've had a few slip on my fingers but not through. But seriously, the same thing happened to me. As I recall, her name was Porn. She worked at Kangaroo bar for 10years before I met her. Swell gal. Said "she love me too much" which was very original so I knew she meant it. I let her get away from me when she met a 100kg, 55 year old balding Buster Keaton lookalike. Can't really blame her for wanting someone more presentable than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted October 4, 2001 Report Share Posted October 4, 2001 Zane May - You say Noi is 33. Then her time is running out and she knows it. If Otto isn't changing his mind, he'll provide her with the comfortable pension fund most working girls dream of. As much as I tend to agree with you about the sadness of guys like Otto - you start whining about someone taking your working-girl girlfriend away, you're a loser, too. If you seriously like her, why don't you be her alternative? Believe it or not: future commitment is what Noi is most likely looking for these days. Too inconvenient for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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