Flashermac Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 So the Democrats are different? Obama came in as a fresh face, a new guy who was going to fix everything. He has turned out to be just another windbag. There have been numerous suggestions that the current political system ensures that anyone really competent and with integrity cannot even be nominated, let alone elected. Only the posers are willing to go through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 The ones who are the most earnest never get media attention or looked at seriously. The last nominee that was the most earnest in my humble opinion was Mondale. Very honest as far as I know no matter what you thought about his politics. The last honest VP nominee was Jack Kemp in '96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 40 Celebs who are Republican http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/40-celebrities-who-are-republicans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 http://omg.yahoo.com/news/hulk-hogan-speaks-why-im-suing-ex-linda-221828746.html?nc The battle between Hulk Hogan and ex-wife Linda Bollea isn't over. As reported earlier, the wrestling icon, 58, filed court papers last week accusing his ex, 52, of defamation, after she accused him of brutal physical abuse and cheating on her with a male wrestler. If they had no kids, it would be one thing but does a divorce has to be so bitter that this has to be in it? They have kids. Even if its true, do you want your kids to know all that. Not that there is anything wrong with that (disclaimer). But really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robaus Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 So the Democrats are different? Obama came in as a fresh face, a new guy who was going to fix everything. He has turned out to be just another windbag. There have been numerous suggestions that the current political system ensures that anyone really competent and with integrity cannot even be nominated, let alone elected. Only the posers are willing to go through it. I think Obama has done a pretty good job considering the mess he inherited, and the obstacles put in his way by Congress and so called patriots who focus on your President’s failure above all else. In 2008... 1. the world financial system was on the brink of collapse caused by Bush’s indifference and incompetence. 2. US was fighting two hugely expensive foreign wars, one of which was a total waste of young soldiers' lives. Bush, Blair, and Howard should be indicted for war crimes. Obama’s stimulus package saved the US and the world from another Great Depression (the Republican solution was to allow massive bankruptcies) He fulfilled an election promise to reform healthcare.. you give all your citizens a chance in life with free basic education, why not free health care?.. IMO it should be a civil right. He brought the troops home from Iraq. He’s working on an exit strategy from Afghanistan. He can’t close Guantanamo because Rumsfeld approved torture, making evidence inadmissible in a US court. Obama tried, but was immediately pounced upon, to encourage Israel to make peace with its neighbours, so that the USA won’t have another 911 and more costly wars. I’m simply amazed that the USA, with more Nobel Laureates than the rest of the world put together, can only muster a mob of clowns as opposition candidates... Palin, Trump, Bachman, Cain, moron Romney and now the serial hypocrite and ignoramus Gingrich. .. and the cornerstone of GOP policy to unite the United States “Don’t tax the rich!â€.. bound to be a vote winner :-). I’m looking forward to more comedy half hours on Fox Noise as election fever builds... sad to see Glenn Beck and his white board go.. he was better than Seinfeld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Dream on. Troops STILL in Iraq! Free healthcare, bullshit! my insurance immediately went up 30%. Free my azz!! He sent MORE TROOPS to Afghanistan!!! ...and and on and on and on... He is a product of Chicago politics which the news media forgot to report on!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Actually, Obama was never part of the Chicago machine. He was an outsider of the 'ward politics'. He first ran against a well established pol and was chided for not 'waiting his turn'. He was an outsider with the party as a whole as Hillary was the annointed and appointed one. Even the Congressional Black Caucus did the unprecedented thing and broke the 11th commandment and didn't side with a fellow black pol and chose Hillary over him. He became an insider once he started winning primaries and took Wall Street money. Ideologically, I'm not a fan of nationalized healthcare as I like a smaller government but I'm not mortally opposed. Republicans seem opposed to the notion and its caused socialist but we have other nationalized and federal mandated things that are imposed and those aren't 'socialist' so I see some hypocracy and its these and other things that made me take a full break from the party in '08. I would be for natioalized health care if we get the right plan. Conservatives don't even want to have that discussin it seems. Its seen as pure socialism so no dialogue can start. I think something has to be done when over 60% of all personal bankruptices are over health costs. That sounds like a national issue to me. Health care or at least a properly enacted one will NEVER happen as long as the medical interests still have their hooks into the pols and the Republicans are opposed to it and will demonize ANY plan. Obama isn't perfect and he has made mistakes. The biggest thing we were warned about was foreign policy and he's actually done better there than he has domestically. I would be very open to a better alternative but if its going to be Romney, Perry or Gingrich then its a step backwards. Big or little depending on which one but definitely a step back from Obama. Instead of supporting candidates that have ideas and are honest and will not be bought (Huntsman, Johnson, Paul) they seem to put forward only those that can be controlled and bought off. Dems voted for whom they though was the best person in '08. I've often said, when was the last time the man the Republican party heirarchy wanted didn't win? They systematically find ways of silencing the voices of people who will challenge ideas like Paul and Johnson. Maybe its not even ideas that are popular or may work but they are asking the right questions. No one is interested in real ideas. Going goo goo gaga over Palin in '08 when it was so obviously clear that most members on this forum were better candidates than she was and could do a better job. She was so out of her depth it was embarrassing. The country is on a slide down that has picked up speed over the last decade. Americans have always come together over traumatizing national events. Great Depression, Pearl Harbor, putting a man on the moon. The two significant events of this century, 911 and the '08 financial collapse saw a power grab, a deteriorating of civil liberties, the ones who caused the damage get their power and money back and the people who were affected left suffering. I am convinced NOTHING will save us. I hate to be a cynic but national events are now used to abuse the people some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I think Obama has done a pretty good job considering the mess he inherited, and the obstacles put in his way by Congress and so called patriots who focus on your President’s failure above all else. In 2008... 1. the world financial system was on the brink of collapse caused by Bush’s indifference and incompetence. 2. US was fighting two hugely expensive foreign wars, one of which was a total waste of young soldiers' lives. Bush, Blair, and Howard should be indicted for war crimes. Obama’s stimulus package saved the US and the world from another Great Depression (the Republican solution was to allow massive bankruptcies) He fulfilled an election promise to reform healthcare.. you give all your citizens a chance in life with free basic education, why not free health care?.. IMO it should be a civil right. He brought the troops home from Iraq. He’s working on an exit strategy from Afghanistan. He can’t close Guantanamo because Rumsfeld approved torture, making evidence inadmissible in a US court. Obama tried, but was immediately pounced upon, to encourage Israel to make peace with its neighbours, so that the USA won’t have another 911 and more costly wars. I’m simply amazed that the USA, with more Nobel Laureates than the rest of the world put together, can only muster a mob of clowns as opposition candidates... Palin, Trump, Bachman, Cain, moron Romney and now the serial hypocrite and ignoramus Gingrich. .. and the cornerstone of GOP policy to unite the United States “Don’t tax the rich!â€.. bound to be a vote winner :-). I’m looking forward to more comedy half hours on Fox Noise as election fever builds... sad to see Glenn Beck and his white board go.. he was better than Seinfeld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Who would ever have though the Newt would be resurrected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Who would ever have though the Newt would be resurrected? His legacy lives on in the Gingrich GOPAC memo. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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