jp1 Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 From today's Bangkok post: 'American says he was jailed after refusing bribe Imprisoned again, as `guarantee' sought Anucha Charoenpo In December, retired American businessman Michael Greenwald left his home in San Diego to start what he thought would be a more peaceful and happier life on Samui island, Surat Thani province. However, Mr Greenwald's dream of life in a tropical paradise soon turned into a nightmare when the jeep he was driving ran into a motorcycle ridden by a 16-year-old girl, who was admitted to Samui hospital for a number of days and treated for a knee injury. Despite agreeing to pay a total of 65,000 baht for the medical bill and to compensate the girl, though she had no driving licence, the 60-year-old spent the next four months in and out of prison while police insisted on charging him with reckless driving. ``They put me in jail for days after I refused to pay a bribe of 40,000 baht,'' he said. ``I believe I was treated unfairly because I am a foreigner with no knowledge of Thai law.'' With help from a Thai friend, Mr Greenwald eventually posted bail of 100,000 baht and was allowed to leave police detention. After the case was finally forwarded to public prosecutors, the American said he received an anonymous phone call from an individual offering to clear the case in return for 20,000 baht. He refused the offer. On Friday, a court found Mr Greenwald guilty of reckless driving and fined him 2,000 baht. He was told by the judge that he would not be penalised for overstaying his visa as he was awaiting trial when it expired. However, when Mr Greenwald went to collect his passport from the immigration police in Surat Thani, he was again put in jail and told to pay 50,000 baht as a guarantee, which he was told he would be given back along with his passport before he left the country. ``I won't return to Thailand ever again, even though I like Thai people a lot,'' said Mr Greenwald, adding he planned to inform American media about his experience. Pol Col Preecha Kullama, chief of Surat Thani immigration police, denied the demand for 50,000 baht was an attempt to solicit a bribe, saying Mr Greenwald had been given a receipt. Pol Col Wasant Boonjaroen, Koh Samui police chief, said he would investigate the claims and punish any officers found to be guilty of wrongdoing.' This certainly does not encourage tourism. jp1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Foreigners are guilty every time. I heard similar stories from all over the world, especially from Thailand, Philippines and Cambodia. I think, he can be lucky; things could have turn much worse (imagine the lady/ girl was seriously injured). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1 Posted April 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Yes that's true. This gives me some food for the thought. Usually I'm also driving a car in Thailand. Quite often I drive all the way from BKK to Nan and back. Had never any problem so far. jp1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tycona Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Because of shit like this and the nazi laws of Thailand I do not want to live here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sayjann Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 65,00 baht for a injured knee?. did she need a replacement?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 I saved the following interesting story from the asfo-list. I hope, it is possible to cross-post when giving the full credit. However, feel free to delete this post, if it violates the rules as this is not my intention. "Subject: Be careful on motorbikes Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: "spurner" <asfo-list@asfo.com> I heard many bad stories of accidents on motorbikes in SEA, but didn't think it would happen to me: I was at a brothel in Sihanoukville, Cambodia. I took one back to the King Gold where I was staying and realised I'd picked a real dudd. She was a bit older than I though she was, refused to perform yum-yum and denied advances for a boom-boom. Totally pissed it took me half an hour to coax her out of the room so I coud take her back to the brothel and hit mamasan up for it. Anyway on the way back I was riding along in the dark. She was sitting behind me but with both legs off to one side of the bike, and not holding onto anything. After I hit a moderate pothole at speed she flew off the bike and landed on her head in the middle of the road. I turned the bike around and a car drove straight over what I though was her head. As I went back I realised it was only her hair, the wheel missed her head by an inch. She was unconscious, her body limp in my arms, blood streaming down her face, I was starting to freak out about now, I thought she was dead. Some people stopped and took her to the hospital while I went back to tell mamasan. I felt like shit, vomitted, and went back to the hospital to see how she was. Fortunately she was still alive and x-rays showed her skull wasn't cracked but she was unconsciouss all night or in some kind of a coma. They said if she didn't wake up or had damaged a blood vessel near the brain it would be a big problem and need to take her to PP. By now they wanted to know where I was from, where I was staying, and asked for my passport. I was staying practically next door and refused repeated requests by them to hand over my passport. I wasn't planning on doing a runner but knew if they had my passport they had the power and could do anything they wanted. As is the case in SEA, the falang is automatically liable for all costs associated with any accident,and this was no exception, and they said I had to pay for medical costs, which I agreed to. If she didn't wake up by morning they wouldn't let me leave Sihanoukville! They camped outside my hotel all night to make sure didn't do a runner, which I contemplated at various times but knew I couldn't carry out without someone knowing where I was. Morning came and she was still asleep or unconsciouss or sth but her body was moving a little bit so figured everything was okay now. They wanted $150 for the doctor, including x-rays and IV's and follow-up care, $50 for this other guy who was always hanging around and some kind of boss, but don't know exactly who he was, and the mamasan wanted $250 for damage to the girl(total $450). I explained I wasn't from America or Europe, was not rich, that they wouldn't charge a local that kind of money, and that if they wanted that kind of money then I simply don't have it. They threatened to involve the police but I thought her being a hooker and probably in the country illegally it would be bad news for them too. Also I knew I hadn't done anything illegally or morally wrong so shook off their attempts to scare me. They had a Khmer style henchman there too, complete with gold capped teeth. I explained I didn't feel good about it but I didn't feel responsible for the costs either. After some discussion they settled for $150 for the doctor, and $5 for the guy who took her to hospital. I figure they were just having a go at me for the mamasan's $250. If she had been a new girl and owed the mamasan a lot of money it would have been a different story though. I was a bit pissed at parting with $150, but okay as I'd never seen anyone so close to dying before, and happy to get it down from the initial $450. If the car behind had been 2 inches to the right then she would be dead, and I wouldn't be writing this today. After paying the cash I flagged down the Snooky-PP bus which happened to be driving past me and got the hell outta there. Now enjoying the comforts of PP and K11. Morale: Be careful on the motorbikes!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 I think foreigners get hit expecially hard, because they are percieved as being rich, but don't forget that Thais have to deal with corruption, getting hit up for bribes to make their problems go away, etc. everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp1 Posted April 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Hi Tycona, don't be so harsh. There're light years between the Nazi regime in Germany and the corrupt Thai legal system. jp1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Just some figure of speach I guess, of course nobody compares the two, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 "Just some figure of speach I guess, of course nobody compares the two" #Not that sure,I remembera german fellow claiming the comparaison was made among german expats in Thaland.Agre with Jp1 though:very far fetched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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