cavanami Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 ...before a ship sets to sail, they always run an "abandon ship" drill, at least in the USA they do. All the crew has assigned stations to go to so as to direct the passengers to their lifeboat. In the cabins, there are life jackets. All the lifeboats have a commander who takes a roll call to assure all his passengers are accounted for. I have done hundreds of such drills. It is up to the crew to assure the safety of the passengers! This captain should be hanged!! along with any of his negligent crew!!! http://news.yahoo.com/coastguard-raided-expanding-korea-ferry-probe-060334961.html?vp=1 South Korea's coastguard Monday released a video showing the trouserless captain of a sinking ferry scrambling to safety as hundreds remained trapped inside -- a move expected to intensify criticism of the crew over the disaster. The 10-minute video -- taken by rescue officials and aired on the YTN news channel -- shows 69-year-old captain Lee Joon-seok, wearing a sweater and underpants, hastily escaping from the bridge of the tilting ship before it sank on April 16. All 15 of the surviving crew responsible for sailing the huge ferry are in custody, facing charges including negligence and abandoning passengers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Apparently, there was an hour from the time the ship sent a distress signal and she sank. One hour and they couldn't get the passengers off in time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted April 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 On the cruise ships with over 1200 passengers and crew, we could abandon ship in under 10 minutes! WTF, they had one hour??? I think this will be a wake up call to the Korean Coast Guard to get off their azz and start doing some serious ship inspections!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCorinthian Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 The call to put on life vest and STAY IN YOUR ROOM was moronic at best and criminal at worst. But I disagree with Cav. I think the captain should be dragged back inside the ship. Once he gets to one of the rooms, they can hand him a life vest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coss Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 This has similarities to Air craft pilot training that was commented on in the media in the past. The best co-pilots were apparently Aussies because they wouldn't worry about second guessing the pilot or acting independently. The worst were the Koreans and the Japanese because they'd defer to the pilot always and never suggest he was wrong/drunk/asleep/absent. It all changed though and I'm told that now pilots are trained to have initiative. Maybe ship personnel should have similar training in Asia. I am also told that one year, in Nong Khai, there were big floods one year , because the sluice gates (or similar) were not opened. The reason was the boss who had the key to the padlock on the door was away for the weekend. No-one was prepared to break the padlock or the door or contact the boss. This could be sheer laziness or another example of face saving for the boss, who would have had to admit that he forgot to leave the key with someone, indicating that he was not only unfit for the job but a dolt of the first order that could be out-thunk by a Western 5 year old.... but I rant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasathai1 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 he would rather loose face than his life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 When you abandon ship, you carry your life vest to your assigned lifeboat, putting the vest on just before you get into the lifeboat. The life vests can be bulky and with a mass of people heading to the lifeboats, it can cause unneeded congestion in the passage ways. Being told to put on the vest and then stay in your room? idiotic!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 The captain waited so long before ordering the lifeboats to be lowered that when he did only two still could be. The man has the brains of a gnat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Another bewildering tragedy, another mass of questions Like the case of the missing Malaysia Airlines' MH370, the tragedy of the Korean ferry Sewol has dismayed but also bewildered both the public and experts. How could a routine trip end in the deaths of at least 300 passengers, mostly schoolchildren? Looking back, there are several critical points and questions arising from events that unfolded on that fateful day last week: 1. The Sewol first sought emergency assistance at around 9am on Wednesday, April 16. It took half an hour for the first boats to arrive. By that time the ferry had listed 60 degrees to port. It took 45 minutes for the first helicopter to arrive at the scene. Why so long, when the country is on permanent high alert for aggression launched by its "enemy", North Korea? The two nations exchanged artillery fire as recently as late March. The first helicopter should have arrived at the scene of the ferry disaster within 10 minutes. Where were the South Korean military? If the North had launched an attack, would they have caught the South's soldiers sleeping? 2. Eighty vessels and 18 aircraft took part in rescue efforts. But by the time they arrived, they could do nothing. It was a futile exercise. 3. The US Navy issued a statement at 9.28am. Captain Heidi C Alge, commodore of the Amphibious Squadron 11 said: "When we were alerted to the accident, we immediately diverted to the scene to render assistance. However, the efficiency of the Korean response eclipsed the immediate need for our assets. We are standing by to provide support as requested by the on-scene commander." But the fact is that the Koreans were doing a poor job in rescuing the passengers on board the sinking ferry. The US Navy simply stood by without helping. There was plenty of time to help the stricken passengers. What was the problem here? 4. The adults and children on board were told by the captain to remain in their cabins while the ferry was listing. Why didn't he order them to muster? He should have had long enough - from 9am to 10am - to get the passengers out? Why the delay? 5. When the ferry capsized at 10.23am, it was too late. Some 300 were stuck inside their cabins. 6. Korean investigators have quickly concluded that the ferry tragedy was an accident caused by carelessness on the part of the captain and his crew or by poor weather conditions. 7. Investigators conclude that third-mate Park Han-kyul, 25, who was steering the ship, made a sudden turn, causing the ferry to tilt. But what exactly was she trying to avoid in turning so abruptly? It is impossible for a near-7,000-tonne ferry to list 60 degrees due to a mere steering error. It is possible that a ship this size could get into trouble in a severe storm, but the Sewol was facing foggy conditions, not stormy, when it foundered. 8. Passengers report hearing a loud noise just before the ferry began to list. What was that noise? 9. The ferry could only be caused to list by: - Being hit by a missile or torpedo; - Striking a submerged object; - An explosion in its engine room. We can likely dismiss the first possibility. So far there are no clues to suggest that the ferry came under attack from hostile forces. As for the second possibility, investigators have found no evidence that the ferry struck a rock or other submerged object. In either case, if the cabins were sealed and the water could not leak in, the ferry would continue to float. But in the third scenario, an explosion in the engine room or another part of the ferry, either by accident or through an act of terrorism, could cause seawater to flood in and the ferry to list and quickly sink. South Korean investigators should not pass judgement until they have thoroughly examined all the evidence. They should focus on discovering why a ferry of this size sank so quickly and whether seawater flooded the ferry, causing it to capsize. If this was the case, why didn't the captain or the rescuers order passengers to leave the ship as the ferry continued to list. There was plenty of time to help many of those on board. Even when it capsized, no order was given immediately to abandon ship. Expect to hear plenty more about the ferry disaster in coming weeks. Many mysteries here remain unanswered. http://www.nationmul...i-30232151.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted April 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 > It is impossible for a near-7,000-tonne ferry to list 60 degrees due to a mere steering error. No. We always did inclination tests on a new build. At best, going top speed and a zip-zag course, maybe we could get 15 degrees, Which was quite a bit. 60 degrees, not possible via steering. This entire incident screams of incompetence! a sad day in marine history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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