cavanami Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Like my father said when we were at the Peace museum in Hiroshima...they never should have started it! He was in WWII, medals from Normandy, etc. Ask a prisoner of war who spent time with the Japanese if the bombs should have been dropped...hell ya!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pasathai1 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 they should have invited Hirohito. Hirohito to the demonstration and let him decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baa99 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Like my father said when we were at the Peace museum in Hiroshima...they never should have started it! He was in WWII, medals from Normandy, etc. Ask a prisoner of war who spent time with the Japanese if the bombs should have been dropped...hell ya!!! There is another side to who started it. http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930 Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might say that the Japanese were aggressive militarists who wanted to take over the world, or at least the Asia-Pacific part of it. Ask him what the United States did to provoke the Japanese, and he will probably say that the Americans did nothing: we were just minding our own business when the crazy Japanese, completely without justification, mounted a sneak attack on us, catching us totally by surprise in Hawaii on December 7, 1941. You can’t blame him much. For more than 60 years such beliefs have constituted the generally accepted view among Americans, the one taught in schools and depicted in movies—what “every schoolboy knows.†Unfortunately, this orthodox view is a tissue of misconceptions. Don’t bother to ask the typical American what U.S. economic warfare had to do with provoking the Japanese to mount their attack, because he won’t know. Indeed, he will have no idea what you are talking about. ... Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.†Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.†Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.†Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.â€[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceMan Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Japan had already invaded Manchuria in 1937. That was a good enough reason for Roosevelt to mount sanctions against the empire of Japan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 When the Japanese had been pulling finger nails from the US soldiers in the concentration camps, beating prisoners, raping women as they would find them...nuf said! I worked with an engineer and his father had been a prisoner of war in the Philippines...the man refused to buy anything made in Japan until the day he died. He hated the Japanese to no end. Use the atom bomb...like, fuck ya!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baa99 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Japan had already invaded Manchuria in 1937. That was a good enough reason for Roosevelt to mount sanctions against the empire of Japan. ... but no sanctions against European countries that had colonized Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 You can go back to the early 1920's, when a treaty was passed, trying to freeze the size of various countries navy's, including Japan's. Once the military government of Japan invaded China and "raped" Manchuria, the difference between what Japan was doing and what Europe and the U.S. had done should be evident. Sanctions rarely work (see Iran and North Korea) and are a sledge hammer type of diplomacy. That doesn't excuse what the military government of Japan did and they certainly brought the way that the war ended on themselves. By the way, Cav, wasn't one of your ex's Japanese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 Sorry, but a senior moment. That was supposed to be the "rape" of Nanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coss Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 "Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might say that the Japanese were aggressive militarists who wanted to take over the world, or at least the Asia-Pacific part of it. Ask him what the United States did to provoke the Japanese, and he will probably say that the Americans did nothing: we were just minding our own business when the crazy Japanese, completely without justification, mounted a sneak attack on us, catching us totally by surprise in Hawaii on December 7, 1941." He might also say that Ben Affleck won World War II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 ... but no sanctions against European countries that had colonized Asia. That had happened in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The European countries weren't engaged in an expansive military campaign in Asia the late 1930s and early '1940s. Imperial Japan was. http://en.wikipedia....tle_of_Shanghai However, FDR was definitely trying to push Japan to attack the US. He saw it as his way to pull America into the war against Hitler. All the folks old enough to remember told me that after the Japanese attack, Americans were furious at Japan - and only Japan. Unbelievably, Hitler just up and declared war on the USA - the only time he had ever declared war on anyone. If it hadn't been for that, FDR could have found himself fighting only Japan ... and Chuchy still having to face the Nazis more or less by himself. Today's trivia: the current Russian embassy was the Kempetai HQ in Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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