Usa Thread

[Steve]

The fact is that Obama has deported more peoiple than any other President and at a rate faster than even Trump. Dems don't talk about it because they want the latino vote, Republicans don't talk about it because it takes away the narrative Obama was letting in all kinds of illegals. 

The dream act and other items only "rewarded' for lack of a better word, those who were in the country as kids or a very long time, were crime free, etc and also those who were in the military fighting wars.

https://www.wnyc.org/story/no-one-thought-barack-obama-would-deport-more-people-any-other-us-president/

[Flashermac]

Bizarre thing about Cesar Sayoc is that he's supposed to be a "White Supremacist". But his father was an immigrant from the Philippines, and he himself claimed to be a Seminole Indian. One thoroughly confused individual ...

plus now this:  

Steve Mnuchin stole Cesar Sayoc's house

https://boingboing.net/2018/10/26/roosting-chicken-bomber.html

 

 

 

 

[Steve]

Non whites have been identifying with white supremacists for decades. Technically he may be a white supremacist sympathizer. There are actual Asian neo Nazis. Physically he looks white so his background doesn't really alter his social standing in terms of how he may be accepted. 

There is also a growing number of latinos in the alt right movement as well. Latino is not a race but a culture. There are Cuban Americans as well as others. Zimmerman had a latino mom but identified as, was seen as and lived as a white male.

The designation white is fluid. 150 years ago, Greeks, Sicilians, Jews, Slavs, Irish, and pretty much any person whose ancestry originated around the Mediterranean were not considered 'white' as we know the term today. 

If you talk to 10 white supremacists or nationalists you would get 10 different answers on who is white. Some would include Jews...reluctantly or specifically Ashkinazi Jews and others wouldn't. 

Finally, white supremacy is what what white supremacy does. If a person one would not readily deem "white" acts like  a white supremacist, does it matter if he's not "white"? He's acting like one which is the issue.  There are instances of KKK members who date, or had//have girlfriends or even wives who were black. 

The whole notion that a person can burn a cross and terrorize a black person or yell racial epitaphs at blacks or Jews and be exonerated because they have or are dating one is asinine. The act is what is the issue. Not who you are fucking. Slave owners fell in love with some of their slaves. Still didnt' stop them from buying and selling human beings of the same color. 

 

 

[Steve]

His losing his home may have been a trigger which is kinda odd seeing as though the masses of people who lost their homes in the aftermath of the 2008 Great Recession lost it to a Republican president and GOP policies (although the Dems were complicit to be fair, they neither tried to stop it or offered alternatives). 

Him blaming Dems or animus for Dems is a bit odd in that respect. But you can't truly understand that kind of mentality. 

I will say I thought it was almost a certainty it was a group and not an individual. The number of bombs, the size and scope of it all, said a group. Not one full blown nut case. 

[Steve]

What makes this guy and many other individuals and groups so different (including the ones in Charlottesville) than any similar group prior is they have never done so, on behalf of or in support of, even tacitly a President. Prior to to the present it was the opposite. These groups did not like the government no matter who was sitting in the White House. Now we have documented instances of harassment of people who yell the name of the President as they do so as if its to legitimize the act. 

Totally unprecedented and totally new in America. Trump may not be a racist, white nationalist/supremacist but racist and white supremacists believe he is one of them. Obama completely distanced himself from the pastor who he became a born again Christian in order to ease fears. But this unique identifying with the President is what is scary and what is never really discussed. And this isn't enough to get the progressives out in many instances. This country is fucked. Royally so. I don't think its irreversible. I think the next crash and it will be epic will sober up  many millions drunk on identity politics. When that wallet gets hit hard enough, things change. 

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-era-unique-for-violent-extremists-inspired-by-us-president-1354409027794?v=raila&cid=sm_fb_maddow&fbclid=IwAR0pLBjG9bDkRQZ7EFavoSjvvODrRmxwsqSuD4yHguFN2e4vG1Ftd9wN7Rg

[Flashermac]

And yet ... how do the white supremacist handle this?

 

 

[Steve]

Here is a dark little secret in the black community. MLK's family for the most part is like the Black Royal Family ...till the Obama's but many blacks don't respect most of the King family. Why? They have pretty much fought among themselves for the financial spoils of the MLK family name.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/13/us/martin-luther-king-family-feud/index.html

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mlk-family-20150119-story.html

Fox news ONLY invites those who will support their narrative. MLK was a Republican I think, not sure, anyway, does his neice speak for him and the family? Dexter King does most of the public speaking on behalf of the family. 

Conservatives (and Liberals) often get people from the group they are discussing to act as cover for them. That's politics 101. Larry Elder, More than a few of the King family are viewed by some as sell outs to his legacy. Just being frank about how they are viewed by some, not all blacks, but some. They, as a group, tend to avoid any issues Blacks as a collective are concerned about such as police brutality, etc. If you noticed there wasn't a peep out of any of them during any of the high profile incidents that garnered national attention. 

I'm not saying they should have but it's par for the course for them to stay out of anything that will put them at odds with the establishment. 

[Coss]

Gunman shooting at Synagogue.

A shooter opened fire at Tree of Life synagogue in Squirrel Hill in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on Saturday, killing multiple people and injuring others, including shooting three police officers.

Other than to suggest you read the following: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/27/18032314/trump-pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-tree-of-life

I make no comment on the tragedy, nor Trump's response.

[Coss]

17 hours ago, cavanami said:

Alleged ‘MAGA Bomber’ Cesar Sayoc Only Follows Left-Wing People on TwitterDespite his vehicle being festooned with pro-Trump stickers and him attending Trump rallies, so-called ‘MAGA bomber’ Cesar Sayoc doesn’t follow any Republicans or conservatives on Twitter, choosing instead to follow left-wing personalities like Lena Dunham, Jimmy Kimmel and Barack Obama.

For the weak minded, Coss....all the Trump stickers....this is called camouflage....

 

Hey Cavanami, look at all the evil Dems in this photo, all camouflaged in Trumpanzee gear at a Trump rally.

Who knew ? all those people at the Trump rallies are actually Dems in camouflage.... And Trump thinks they are his supporters.... Perhaps, Cavanami,  you'd better tell Donald...

[Steve]

America is by far the most violent industrialized world in peace time.Meaning there are no extenuating factors such as a civil war or ideological or otherwise mitigating factors such as Northern Ireland which we know has a reason (not a good one to some but a reason nonetheless),. Its explainable. 

It's a fairly new thing  We didn't have the size and breadth of shootings 40 years ago. We were violent but not in random fashion as we see now. What has changed? Why has the American male changed? There are a myriad of theories and no one seems to be able to explain it away. And its a very "unique" part of the population (my attempt to use coded speech...haha). 

Other fairly industrialized countries had/have guns. Australia had guns for a while, the Swiss still do. England has banned guns but from what I hear they are fairly easy to get. The former Soviet republics have guns..lots of them in certain countries. 

Why are Americans easily triggered, reasons for mass shootings that don't effect the same trigger in other industrialized or even developing countries? Such as unreturned love, can't get a date, child/alimony support, divorce, bullying, a whole laundry list of things.