cardinalblue Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 Most thai girls are part of the have not world. Meeting falangs allow them possibly a better life in their eyes. Are GTGs actively looking to meet a falang? I would say no. I would estimate only 5% make any effort to meet a falang. I think it is a reflection of their shyness and passiveness. It is due to their character make-up that keeps them for actively explorring this option. Remember, most thai women have little or no interaction with falang men. If the opportunity presents itself, will they consider it? Yes, I think a large percentage would. Who wouldn't want to improve their current situation. I think it is human nature to do so. I do agree with pattaya127 about GTGs getting a taste of it because of this globalization taking place. And they like what they sample...... Cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 TTM, Yes, both GTGs and BGs are looking as falangs as a vehicle to improve their own existence. The big difference is called choice. GTGs have leverage and can be more more selective in whom they choose. It is very similar to looking for a job. You both want jobs but if you are university educated you apply for better jobs than ones who have lesser education. It is callled having better cards in your hand to make a deal...... Cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 From my limited experience, so far, I get the feeling that a Thai girls attraction to farang, is that she will be treated better, and has a better chance of husband/boyfriend being faithful. This is relating to non-prositutes. I think B/G motives are much more $$$ oriented. The girl I'm communicating with now, has a girlfriend who wants a falang for boyfriend, and this is her reasoning. Being wealthy has a zero component for her, and a few other friend I know of hers, have expressed the same. They all work, and have their own income, although not much (15K Bt./month). We spent 12 hours yesterday (I'm not kidding ) changing resort we will be going to (now to Chumporn, because I want to teach them scuba). Special package deal, but hotel will not take credit card (because of promotion deal???). So, my friend is going down to BKK office Moday, and giving 16K baht out of her own account, until I get there. If I don't show up, she loses it all. This is a months wages for her, and is what I mean about trust. Anyone who thinks all Thai girls are just out to grab your money, you are very wrong. I know for a fact now, that there are some very warm, trusting, and giving Thai women out there. This is the first non-prostitute group of Thai girls I've ever known. Can't tell me I just happened to run into a super unique group. They all seem very mainstream. And i don't mean to paint a picture here that says all about every Thai girl. Just offering a snapshot at an isolated situation that is occurring right now. So.......has this changed my outlook on B/G's? Not at all. Still feel exactly the same way. I love them too mutt, also. Although, I know not one single one of them is going to lend me 16K baht, without ever even meeting me. But I knew that 6 months ago. They just have a different agenda going. A relationship surrounding feelings, trust, and long term commitments are not in the game plan, for them. Flame away, but this disparency is HUGE, between a B/G and non-B/G. Yes...plenty of grey area's, I know. On both sides. But so far, this has been a really great experience for me. I still don't trust a B/G as far as I can throw her, but knowing there are many more girls in Thailand, who are in many ways, opposite to their counterparts, is making me less cynical. And that can only be a good thing. HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 HT: 'I know for a fact now, that there are some very warm, trusting, and giving Thai women out there. ' MM: I agree 100%. Bar girls, MP girls, hairdressers, secretaries, clerks, receptionists, etc etc. Doesn't matter what their profession. Agree that BG motives are much more $$$ oriented, but then as often as they've probably been lied to and mistreated, shouldn't they be? And if you get past that 'bar girl wall', what do you find? Real people, IMO. And I'm talking about the BGs who have grown up a bit and are probably in the 21-2 yr+ range. How can you expect an 18-year old with little education/parental guidance to have the maturity and foresight to look for more than $$$? At the END of the day, BGs and 'GTGs' are looking for the same thing. The difference is the terms&conditions. As for your 16k baht, I have seen a number of BGs stick by their man, even when he was down or out of a job. Happens frequently. Also the other way - the girl jumps ship when the going gets tough or when something better comes along - but this happens ALL OVER THE WORLD, with ALL types of girls, IMHO. Finally, your comment: 'So.......has this changed my outlook on B/G's? Not at all. Still feel exactly the same way. I love them too mutt, also. Although, I know not one single one of them is going to lend me 16K baht, without ever even meeting me. But I knew that 6 months ago. They just have a different agenda going. A relationship surrounding feelings, trust, and long term commitments are not in the game plan, for them. Flame away, but this disparency is HUGE, between a B/G and non-B/G.' I have to disagree with part of this. A relationship surrounding feelings, trust, long-term committment is EXACTLY what most every woman wants, BG or otherwise. Its just the BG has come to realise that this type of relationship is not forthcoming with most ST vacation lovers who walk in the door. So why should she wear her heart on her sleeve in search of what she really wants? That would be ludicrous for her; no, she builds a wall, and nothing a customer says/does can hurt her. Her wall doesn't require her to trust/love the customer, but instead get the money and move on, unscathed. But get past the bargirl wall, and what you find might surprise you - a real person, with wants/desires/trust/family and all the rest of it. Not all the time will you find this, but often enough to make the hunt worth it. And lending B16k to someone you met on a chat board, without meeting them in person, is, well, naive, IMO. Can't believe she wouldn't be able to get the money back if you don't make good on it. And I won't comment on why ANYONE would set-up a vacation with a person they hadn't met. To each his own. Cardinalblue: 'Yes, both GTGs and BGs are looking as falangs as a vehicle to improve their own existence. ' MM: I think that sums up the motivation of women all over the world. And that's the major reason why I said you pay now or you pay later - women want the same thing, regardless of their profession. (But that is changing as women become more successful and are given more opportunities worldwide.) But a general comment about BG trust and relationships - your post indicated that you've known some bar girls for a few months or more, and it didn't work out because of trust or something. I had this same experience a number of times - IN HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE IN THE WEST. What you highlighted is exactly what happens ALL OVER THE WORLD - guys/girls meet, some relationships work out, others don't. Simple. Doesn't matter if shes a bar girl, a hairdresser, a doctor, or a secretary, IMHO. And I note that 50% or so of US marriages end in divorce - I suppose that the 50% that didn't work out might have been BGs? Obviously not. To generalise from a few BG relationships to the postulate that BGs don't make good long-term companions is a mistake, IMHO. I have just seen far too many successful bar girl relationships, particularly with those (guys) who disappear from the Boards and the Life - they don't need it anymore, as they found what they were looking for. We hear about the 'relationship busts' on this Board and elsewhere because the guys are still in the life, still looking for something. The Boards are heavily skewed with these guys. And I'm not making a value judgment here: I'm here also! But back to the 'wall' that I postulate the BG's have, as a corollary I'd also posit that punters have their own 'wall'. WE cannot deal with their profession - she's maybe screwed a 100 guys over the past year. We cannot handle that or forget it! Therefore, the BG can't possibly make a good companion. Never mind what she really might be, as a person. So be honest - is it that bar girls are not good enough for us, or is it that we cannot handle what they have been/done? Think about that for awhile. 'And since you know you cannot see yourself, so well as by reflection, I, your glass, will modestly discover to yourself, that of yourself which you yet know not of' Shakesepeare Assalamu alaikum (peace and God's blessing be on you all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 :applause: Took the thoughts right out of my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsushi Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 DAMN YOU MMan! I lost track of this thread and your response was pretty much along my line of thinking and possible reply if I had got to it before you did!! Too many guys here look at prostitutes as if they are something other than human and incapable of love or being loved. Too many guys look at GTG's as if they are the perfect women incapable of faults. The bottom line is that good or bad they are all women. What matters is if they love trust and respect the man that they consider their mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 My god jj ............. another member of the "humanist" camp. I agree that MMan did a grand job of expressing the views of some of us in the scene and on the board. Certainly we are not the majority.......at least yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
think_too_mut Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 MMan, Great post. Read it several times and don't know which part I like more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Are GTGs actively looking to meet a falang? I would say no. ---------------------- not antagonizing you, but I read you and i thought: neither do Bgs. I mean, they do not fly to the States, do they? Who makes the greatest effort to meet who. i think Women in the trade are supplied in response to the demand, and GTGs (God, i hate this term) are like so many women anywhere. Let the man do the first step. You are right that a thai woman, esp in public settings will be demure, but on the other hand, they hardly stay home all the time, or mouth off guys who appraoch them in a gentlemanly manner. To sum it up, I do think there are indeed few hang-ups left that would have a thai woman stubbornly refusing courting from a farang. It has also been my experience that they will indeed decide to date you, even if they have some idea their parents may be against it. Thai means free, it shows daily in every walk of life in LOS, any gender. We should not always think of GTGs as virgins who blush and join the knees tightly if approached by a male, I get sometimes the impression that they are defined as such in related threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 WE cannot deal with their profession ------------------------ Waddaya mean? I've been dealing with it for the past 15 years!!!!!..... Just kidding, i know what you mean, hope you bring your good and measured opinions often on NanaP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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