pattaya127 Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 but I hazard to guess you could find similar places all over Thailand. ------------------------- which makes my point that you can enjoy Thailand while being in Pattaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted August 16, 2003 Report Share Posted August 16, 2003 but surely not in it, ------------------------------------ Just like NEP, soi CB, etc... I am wondering how many guys who do the Suk, take time off to visit BKK, outside of WPK and a trip on fast river boat to go there. well not that I have ever seen. I still love to go to nightlife places but Pattaya nightlife depresses the hell out of me ------------------------------------- Good of you to express your opinions. I know quite a few members who swear only for Pattaya or P Nightlife, but apparently they do not care to say it. A lot of the Nightlife there has lost its attraction for me, because of the early closing hours, but still, It's fun to hang a round there once in a while. It's got its special feel and energy, very unique, and plenty of difference between spots (Blues factory, Jenny's bar, Marine1, all within 25 yards, and the feel in each place is different, can add a dozen more corners by walking a few more hundred yards). I am creating a thread on the sleaze factor in Pattaya in NL, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torneyboy Posted August 17, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Says legover: ***so are you saying Phuket and Pattaya are as bad as each other.?*** not exactly. Phuket is more picturesque, an easier place to be, nice island with more limited blight than Pattaya, but i think it's good to keep the tourist masses congregated so they don't ruin every square inch of the country & Pattaya serves that purpose. Pattaya's got its plus points, i wouldn't live there but i could easily live in Phuket. where i am right now is very Thai, a low key resort which is why i'm here and i'd like it to stay that way. living and touring are very different. you get to a certain point developing tourist destinations when it becomes a sort of tropical Butlins with sex thrown in, then it's screwed. next thai project is to turn Koh Chang into a copy of Phuket. not much any of us can do about it but watch. lots of other possibilities like Venezuela etc. In The Gambia i was told by a frequent flyer, you can get a 3 holer stunner for 30 quid a month, Fashion TV class!! maybe i was dreaming. Phuket is pretty and so are Krabi and Hua Hin/CHa Am and others. Nice beaches..the night life in Phuket is not as in your face as Pattaya either. People have heard of Pattaya and want to see it on thier first trip..(not for the sex scene) just heard it is worth a visit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted August 17, 2003 Report Share Posted August 17, 2003 Says thai3: When I first saw Pattaya from the bus window I thought it looked like all those cheap and loud Spanish holiday resorts that I never wanted to go to. Hua Hin gets my vote for a seaside destination, just wish it had a cinema!-peter I haven't been to PTY and have no plans to go there. I know it only from reports and from TV and what I have seen reminded me very much - like thai3 - on European tourist spots in the south with overcrowded beaches e.g., except that there is not such a big sex market. IMHO if you like the atmosphere of crowded beaches and don't mind the dirt, pollution, heavy traffic and destroyed landscape it is the right spot ::. Many tourists don't seem to mind in Europe either. Other negatives on PTY: Pattaya is a place for international criminals to hide or to make business. (from a German docu, see below) But nevertheless, it is better to concentrate mass tourism in some spots in Thailand, than to spread it all over the country which would cause much more traffic, destruction and pollution everywhere. That's why I would recommend to keep on promoting PTY and Phuket for the mass tourism. But of course this is only a dream, if you look at Chaweng beach on Koh Samui and I presume there are some more relatively virgin places waiting to be "developed" in the near future. Anyway, PTY must have some attraction besides the sex market. Just saw ten minutes ago a docu on SpiegelTV (a reputable source in Germany) and they gave some stats as of 2001: 7000 Germans live in Pattaya 1000 live in luxury villas (prices up to 230.000 US$, this buildings would cost over 500.000 US$ in Germany). Many elder males with Thai wifes, but Farang couples too. The typical stated reason are: - minimal living expenses compared to Germany - people in general, food - women (of course ) - climate - at the same time Western/German food, many other Farangs to socialize with in clubs (Rotary e.g.) - good health care in PTY - some are there for business (butcher, baker, clinic, night club, shops e.g.) General stats: 300.000 Germans visit Thailand every year ca. 130 Germans die in Thailand every year. Main cause: road accidents; second cause: heart failure, (often a combination of age, alcohol, viagra and sex) ca. 2 dozens Germans are in Thai prisons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 IMHO if you like the atmosphere of crowded beaches and don't mind the dirt, pollution, heavy traffic and destroyed landscape it is the right spot -------------------- And still, I dare to repeat: Pattaya, always criticized, never equalled. I guess it's like the LOS bug, hard to explain people back home about the attraction/seduction/bliss LOS has on you. Samesame for Pattaya. Can't explain, you get it or you don't, and a few fat obnoxious drunks or english hooligans are not going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Says pattaya127: IMHO if you like the atmosphere of crowded beaches and don't mind the dirt, pollution, heavy traffic and destroyed landscape it is the right spot -------------------- And still, I dare to repeat: Pattaya, always criticized, never equalled. I guess it's like the LOS bug, hard to explain people back home about the attraction/seduction/bliss LOS has on you. Samesame for Pattaya. Can't explain, you get it or you don't, and a few fat obnoxious drunks or english hooligans are not going to change that. That why I brought the stats about so many Germans living there. It's really strange for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Really, given the number of undesirables and sad characters invading the place, we should hate it, but somehow, I think that what happens over and over again is that some girl we meet makes up for all that, and leaves us with great and rejuvenating memories, with very little to do with sex, and for sure, one tends to feel really lucky, compared to the drunks screwed on the same bar stool for their 2nd or 3rd week in a row. Once you have these memories in your traveling experience, I guarantee you will be carrying Pattaya in your heart forever, no matter if the beach is polluted or a shirtless drunk passes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Not sent to you particularly, but I wrote that in December. I wish to re-post it just to point that being in Pattaya, one can enjoy Thailand like in many other places. Just a little curiosity and time is needed. ------------------------------------------- Even staying in Pattaya, you can witness a Thailand without whoring, doing what it does best, namely being thai. I just spent one of the greatest evening last night, 25 kms south of Pattaya (ok, better to have a bike to find out what's going on, away from Beach Rd and tutti quanti), in a little town just before Sattahip. A fair was thrown in honor of a dead patriarch, and the homage-paying was last night. Both the religious and the profane mixed, as usual in these kind of affairs. There was a procession following his coffin being carried to the temple, Wat Teppasat, mostly built with glass and mirror pieces, the whole edifice lighted like an UFO landing in a Spielberg movie. Then the orchestra in the stage behind started rocking to mo-lam and luk-thung music, a dozen girls gyrating on stage to the plaintive singer's Issan snarl, but what was great is that I was invited by the LIKAY actors on the other side of the fair to join them in their dressing room all evening (which is actually the other side of the stage, behind the prop curtain). A first for me, I was touched by their friendliness thru all the evening (i was over-fed, once again), and was able to witness all the proceedings and the costume changes for the 3 hours i spent there, transfixed. I must say that approaching the stage and starting to hear the sound of the PII PAT orchestra, I had tears in my eyes as i had not heard that sound in a whole year, maybe some of you know what i am talking about. GF mocked me, but she told me she also almost cried when seeing the coffin of the monk and the procession, as it brought her back to the day her father was buried in her village. Took quite a few digital pix, would love to share them with anyone interested, and was invited to come see them again in sanam Luang, on the 31st. IMO, beats picking up your tab yet another evening on soi8. PS:No need to say i was the only farang in sight all evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torneyboy Posted August 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Hi PT Not a reply to this post...just a thought in general. Phuket is about to embark on a huge project of six developments. Is Pattaya going to be left in the dust of Phuket...the powers that be in Pattaya are on the ball and doing their best to promote Pattaya...but looks like the dollars/baht is heading south? Marketing is the key here? Cant Pattaya get some of what Phuket is being ""given/offered"" appears to me looking from the outside they..Phuket is getting..dare i say ...special treatment? For me any promo is good for business..both ways. What do you think PT? Not Phuket V Pattaya...just interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 TB, a few thoughts here. I think half the rap Pattaya gets is because foolish travel agents market the place as a family destination, which it is not. So when the Jones family steps out of the Marriot in the middle of Pattaya, mum's jaw hits the ground and poor dad, apart from getting prick-teased to death, receives no end of grief because he chose Pattaya. Look at Phuket and the 5-star resort hotels are far enough away from the scene but close enough for dad to escape for some sanuk on the way back from golf, diving, the business meeting etc, etc. It's probably too late to change the image of Jomtien and it's bog of a beach, but it could have been ideal as Pattaya's little "Laguna." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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