lembeh Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 >He preys on the poor and exploits them for a buck. you mean unlike the rest of us who prey on the poor and exploit then for a f*ck? -j- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbledonk Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Hi All, Personally, I dont view Nigel as being any worse than anyone else in the porn industry. It relies on gullible individuals to pay for the product, and the competition is all about writing copy that the owners think will pull the punters - if thats 'I fucked your Mum up the Kazoo !', then that is what they will write. Anything to get punters to part with their credit card details. As far as bareback sex with Katoeys etc, I have little doubt that there are board members who have been down that road, and remain unrepentant. If we find it confronting to see Nigel rogering a gal we recognise from a past acquantaince, then how about the hundreds of other episodes that she didnt record for posterity ? It does sadden me that the producers have convinced the girls to go bareback, but I'd be naive to think it was the first time they had done so with a client. If Nigel has HIV, then he has only himself to blame, but 'wishing he was dead' seems like an over-reaction, IMO. Porn will always be a grubby enterprise, but that doesnt make Nigel (or Peter North / The Hedgehog / Harry Morgan et al) the Anti-Christ. If there wasnt a ready market for their product, they would have been driving trucks or selling real estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 I've never heard of this guy, never seen his web sites, and I don't really care to. But from what I am reading, there is a HUGE difference. There is a lack of humanity, decency, and respect for the fellow man. Someone who revels in putting Thai's at HIV risk and publicly shows it off is I hope not typical. Someone who creates a moment of shame with a bargirl for monetary gain I hope is not typical. Someone who disrespects the country they are a guest in to the whole world I hope is not typical. Either I think too highly of the average punter or there really is a line that has been crossed making this a profound difference between the average punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiHome Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Wish I had said this, I think it sums up Nigel and his photos quite well: TH "Some found the images shocking but, as I explained in the article, they are a brutally honest portrayal of what goes on behind closed doors when ordinary farang fellas barfine Thai bar girls. Like the Iraqi prisoner abuse story, words often fail to convey a message properly and it sometimes takes lurid colour photos to bring the truth home to people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhumvit Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 The big issue is whether the guy knowingly has hiv. If so then what is he doing potentially passing it on to others? What is he thinking? Or is he thinking? If he's knowingly spreading a deadly disease then he's far removed from the average sanuker regardless of the semantics arguments raised in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Maybe a revenge scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Hi Sukhumvit, >>>The big issue is whether the guy knowingly has hiv. If so then what is he doing potentially passing it on to others? What is he thinking? Or is he thinking? If he's knowingly spreading a deadly disease then he's far removed from the average sanuker regardless of the semantics arguments raised in the thread.<<< It's not so removed, as you might think. Look at the ground Zero patient thought to be responsible for the initial worldwide outbreak of HIV. A Canadian Airline gay flight attendant. Even with sores all over his body, he refused to stop engaging in sex, but at that time, there were no laws preventing him for doing so. I've seen taped interviews with him in advanced stages, and he was a very bitter person. Could have cared less that he infected other people. Basically, his thought was, "why should I be the only one". People diagnosed, are generally not very responsible, as you might think them to be. It's a little different now, as treatment has come a long way. But the fact is, overall, knowing you carry the disease, is not an overwhelming factor to leave the business, for those infected. This fact is well documented. Bills must still be paid, and obligations still met. And there is often a certain anger against the group the signed their death sentence. Is it such a far stretch to think they might not care much about the punter's, who did this to them? I don't mean to get off-topic here, and don't want to get into a thread destined for 'health/HIV', but thought relevant to this thread, to bring up. If Nigel even knew he was HIV positive, do you think he would really 'stand down'? Not a chance, in my estimation. He would think of himself as a 'dead man walking', and continue on. I have to ask this question. How many of you actually think a B/G will be diagnosed, and immediately get out of the business? In most cases, it is just not going to happen, due to a number of factors. I will say, that I think most girls diagnosed, will continue to go with customer. Why? The lack of options, which brought them there, in the first place. HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 "if you made your beer money from the exercise of publishing some poor persons explotation and it is all about explotation, don't yet see his videos with highly-paid supermodels " Are U implying U only screw highly paid supermodel in Thailand, and never those arguably sexy but definetely cheap and available isaan hookers?? In this case, U've got all my admiration, dude! Than again while Nigel is a wasted bloke working for "beer" money, the guy behind is makind quite a lot more. Call it exploitation, but the girls are willing and it's BUSINESS! Lord made free market so we can sell Lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbledonk Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Cmon ER - if you re-read my post, you'll see that I'm *not* comparing Nigel with the 'average' punter : I'm comparing him with his peers in the porn industry. Everyone in that industry is ruthlessly exploited for profit, and the safe sex message seems to have been thrown out the window in favour of 'regular screening'. Given that a lot of actors will do anal with either sex (not all of them, admittedly, but it largely comes down to what producers want, producers get), it would be interesting to know what the real incidence of HIV in the 'erotic film' industry is in the 21st century. ER, its all exploitation. I could go over some very old ground here, but that wont change our respective views. Suffice it to say that I dont feel particularly noble when I pay a woman to have sex with me, but I certainly feel manipulated when a woman uses sex in an attempt to control me in a relationship. If you've never been in that position, then I can only envy you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbledonk Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hi HT, Mate, you've summed it up magnificently, along with a few others who are brave enough to look in the mirror and recognise that we may not always like what we see, but that we are willing to accept ourselves, warts and all. Nigel's disdain for the tenets of safe sex is echoed in many of the online brawls that some of us have had with board members who feel that 'It's my choice, so fuck off !'. I adisagree, but thats another issue for another time. The issue that I have with a lot of the copy that adorns porn sites, and the spam that they generate, is that there are some sad cases out there who can't separate fact from fiction. Millions of Japanese men (and Quentin Tarantino ) read mega-violent Manga without acting on the fantasies within, and watching Max Hardcore pissing on some hapless 'starlet' might get a laugh from the guys around the pool table, but it puts us one step closer to that perverted fuck from Belgium who felt that it was his right to imprison young girls in his basement, with predictable consequences. I'm not a Feminazi, but I can see where they get their ammunition from. OK, I got up on the soapbox (again), but porn is, ultimately, a pretty boring form of entertainment. End of sermon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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