bibblies Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 That's a good point I hadn't thought of! A girl doing it deliberately for advertising! Could work (although it'd work a lot better if we hadn't seen Nigel stick his willy up a load of ladyboys too...) "And that's the way they probably see it themselves, and in fact they are trying to, and frequently succeed in, exploiting us as well. But in my view us exploiting them derives from the fact that the majority of sex workers, especially in third world countries, are not engaging in their profession entirely out of free will, but rather are drawn to it due to economic circumstance, necessity, lack of education and viable alternatives, etc. And those with more economic power (i.e., us) get to take advantage of their situation. Is this not in some sense exploitative?" Well, hey, I'm only drawn to my profession for money and lack of better alternatives to it. And (in your kind of thinking) I'm forced to seek out these girls because I'm not rich and handsome enough to attract the girls I really want in my home country. I dreamed of being a rich, handsome film or football star too but hey, it didn't turn out that way. That's what the squealy phrase, "not entirely out of free will" really means. Join the fucking club! As someone else said, you see girls from similar backgrounds working in Robinsons, selling food from street stalls, working in factories, offices, as teachers... They have got a fucking choice! I know schoolmates - one working as a bargirl and another as a teacher. I know sisters - one working as a bargirl and another in an office. The bar girl of that second example used to work in an average sort of job, sales rep for a European electrical company and left of her own choice. She became a bar girl. Now she's working in a shop again. Stop trying to insinuate the old myth. It's insulting to those who really don't have a choice. And as for them not being paid what they would in other places, well that's called markets. I'd love to be paid what my equivalent would get in Japan too. And I'd love to pay the equivalent of 30B for a bowl of kao phat gai in England instead of ten times the price. What the fuck is this, a campaign for world-wide equality and communism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 <They have got a fucking choice! I know schoolmates - one working as a bargirl and another as a teacher. I know sisters - one working as a bargirl and another in an office. The bar girl of that second example used to work in an average sort of job, sales rep for a European electrical company and left of her own choice. She became a bar girl. Now she's working in a shop again.> True, though I think most office jobs require a certain standard of education. But one certainly meets all kinds. And what's to stop a girl working in a store and doing a bit of free-lancing at night? I've met a lot of well educated girls in places like Thermae (especially at week-ends) and several bar-girls who were paying their way through college. I still would like to know how Nigel and his chums get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 still would like to know how Nigel and his chums get away with it. Me too! On a similar theme, a couple of years ago in Pattaya I hooked up with a Freelancer for a couple of weeks and was drinking in some beer bars, when a couple of Arab looking gentlemen turned up with a large camera and some spotlights and a Thai girl (clearly a proffesional!) - they proceeded to shoot a couple of scenes whilst sitting at the bar (must have been the plot!). We did not even have to move seats - so if anyone is into Arab Porn and sees a handsome man (with a beard) in a Pattaya Beer Bar - then let me know! My "freind" was not surprised at this and said it was not an unusual thing to see. What did surprise me was when I remarked that as it was Arab porn that later the girl would no doubt be seeing a donkey (I know it wasn't a PC remark). What surprised me was not that my girl laughed like mad at this - but that she knew the word "donkey" in english. :: :: (BTW my freind was as crazy as f#ck, claimed to be Khmer and had a certain attitude which made me think I wouldn't like to meet her in the jungle - as a red and white check scarf and AK47 would not have looked out of place on her............ ............one of reasons why I declined her invite for a trip to Cambodia "no visa? no problem! - no see police, no go border" :: Never asked her name................. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coss Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 ""What the fuck is this, a campaign for world-wide equality and communism? "" Yes quite right, this eternal (or so it seems) idea that if a woman sleeps with men for money, particularly a small amount of money by feminist standards, it must be because she lacks education, opportunity or freedom, is risible. Almost any western woman in her teens or twenties and thirties, would leap at the chance to shag a guy if paid a month or two or three months salary, hell they'll often do it for free if the guy has even a small amount of fame or status. Witness the "models" claiming to have had rumpy pumpy with that nice Beckham boy. And do we need to be reminded that the world's largest porno industry in $ terms is based in the US? It all comes down to exchange rates. If people are really concerned about women's choice, welfare and rights, they should be off to countries where women don't have a vote. Cheers Coss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCgringo Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Here is the point on the model release. when these guys get nailed by the police it will be for underage girls. Thai girls look young and small anyway , so for some cop to conclude that they are underage is pretty easy. The only way they will get out of this is with a model release and copy of her ID. The cops will probably NOT be Thai cops , but USA or Brits trying to make a name for themselves "cleaning up" the internet. Just my thoughts , but these guys are not invisible to the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 As I understand it, a model relese and or an ID do not get you off the hook in the case of underage sex, at least not hre in SFO, a few guys going down big time for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCgringo Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 I did not mean to say they are underage, just that they look it. And phony ID will still get you busted, look at the Tracy Lords case, she was 15 years old but had phony ID for 18 yrs old , a few guys got jail time over that one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbledonk Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 What the fuck is this, a campaign for world-wide equality and communism? Yes. Bibblies, thats what I'm campaigning for ! After years of being a rebel without a clue, you've finally given my miserable, fucked-up life some meaning ! Unite with me brothers, and we'll see to it that every prostitute gets a fair days pay for a fair nights work ! If I have to go into every bordello between Surabaya and Shanghai (Rangoon and Roppongi, even), I'm prepared to do so (strictly for the cause, you understand, comrades). Viva Fidel ! Viva La Revolucion ! Viva my non-existent Spanish ! Aye Caramba and Vaya con Dios ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongatu Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hi Bibblies, You make some good points in response to the language from my post which you quoted, but you know, I think you may perhaps be misinterpreting my post just a bit. I chose my words carefully and I stand by them. For example, I specifically said "the majority" when talking about people "drawn" to the sex worker profession. "Majority" = "not all," in fact could be only 2/3rds or as little as 51%, so I think in my original remarks, I allowed for the reality (which I do not dispute) that many do in fact engage in the trade by choice. Also I said "not entirely out of free will" which again is, I think, different from saying they have no choice. Also the words "drawn to" which I used are quite different from words such as "compelled to" which I did not use. Markets are great. Can't wait to get back to the one in LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiery Jack Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 OCgringo said:...look at the Tracy Lords case, she was 15 years old but had phony ID for 18 yrs old , a few guys got jail time over that one... Too true, mate ? well said. As I recall, my old crack-tooting amigo Keith "Smokey" Smallpiece did a two month stretch in stir in Stoke Mandeville Notorious Offenders' Wing over that cuffuffle. The fucking fuzz never gave us back the porn tapes or the recovered "tarry" and "whizz" either. jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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