Pom_Jao_Choo Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Can anyone describe for me what the tone properties are governing the inherent O and A ? As in Car "Rote" the O is not in the spelling so therefore does have an influence on the tone of the word ? Thanks for any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samak Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 tone depends on whether vowel is long or short and what class the final consonant of the syllabe has (not on whether vowel is inherent or not). in case of rot (car) final consonant is high class, therefore tone is low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexi Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Not an expert on tones ( seen all the rules but just can`t remember them ),but I think the word " Rot " for car has a high tone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Rote (rot) has short vowel-high tone. Same word, with same sound, for: 1. taste/flavor 2. to water (plants)/sprinkle water on HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straycat Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 If I'm not mistaken, these words are spelt differently in Thai. "Rot" as in "car/cart" etc, ends with "taw teung", which I think "flavour" ("prongrot") does not. Tone may well be same though...Just FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Hi Samak, Rot (vehicle) is pronounced with a low tone? Really? I'm only going on what my books say. HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jai-dee Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 The tone of a syllable is controlled by: - the class of the initial consonant - the type of the final consonant (if any): stopped or unstopped - the length of the vowel ö (car) falls in this rule: Low class initial consonant, no tone mark, ending with stopped final consonant with short vowel, or short vowel - high tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samak Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 sorry i was wrong on that; it never depends on class of final consonant; it depends on class of initial consonant, whether vowel is short or long and whether final consonant is "stopped" (d, t, b, p, k) or "sonorant" (n, m, w, ng) rot (car) is high tone glad to have looked rules up again after a quite some time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pom_Jao_Choo Posted October 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 I'm not saying this a problem but just want to clarify for myself. Whether the vowel is inherent or not it still plays it's usual role in governing tone and you are expected to distinguish whether it is used as a long or short (and in this case a shot O sound)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samak Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 by inherent you mean not visible or not written? only o and a (but usually there is a mai hanakart above the consonant) in it's short form are not written vowels; so the rule for the short vowel applies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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