Guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 From the Pattaya Mail, Sept. 7, 2001: quote: Four Uzbekistan women arrested for prostitution Two also charged with visa overstay Boonlua Chatree Four Uzbekistan women were arrested for prostitution during an undercover operation in South Pattaya on August 31. Natalya Truhina, 26, and Vassila Sharopova, 29, were arrested at the V.C. Hotel. Elvira Ganieva, 29, and Viktoriya Muminova, 29, were arrested at the Rose Garden Hotel and received an additional charge for residing in the Kingdom on expired visas. Elvira’s visa expired almost two years ago and Viktoriya’s visa expired one year ago. The women had allegedly been operating in Bangkok before moving to Pattaya. Pattaya immigration police, led by superintendent Pol. Col. Jiraphan Idsarangkul Na Ayuthaya, recruited foreign men to pose as prospective clients to expose the women. Two groups of police officers and undercover clients set out at around 3.00 a.m. on August 31, with police laying in wait to track the suspects back to hotel rooms with the undercover clients. The recruited help wasted no time - almost immediately after hitting the streets the first Uzbekistan woman propositioned one of the undercover operators and took him to the V.C. Hotel, where another Uzbekistan woman was also waiting. Immigration police officers followed close behind and after allowing a suitable amount of time, they entered the room and announced the raid, then ordered everyone to dress before escorting them to the police station. Around the same timeframe other undercover operators were similarly propositioned and immigration police officers ended the mischief at South Pattaya’s Rose Garden Hotel. The charges registered against the women were “openly soliciting clients offering sexual services in exchange for costs ranging from 1,500 - 3,000 baht”. Immigration Pol. Col. Jiraphan said that there is allegedly another group of Russian and Uzbekistan women operating in Pattaya who are engaged in prostitution. He said they are plying their trade on the internet and openly soliciting clients on the streets. This article raised several questions in my mind: - Where I come from, this is called 'entrapment'. Can the cops in Thailand get away with this? - How long was the "suitable amount of time" that the article referred to? Long enough for the undercover operators to get a shag at government expense? - What to Uzbek woman look like? Are they like farangs, or more Asian-looking? - Was anyone on this board recruited to be one of the undercover operators? If so, please do tell us the details. JG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Talk about "cheap charlies", some farangs will do anything to save 1500 to 3000 baht. Maybe Roger Rabbit went undercover not underground to the rabbit hole. LeoTex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 A few years ago I saw a guy get chased and arrested at gunpoint by a farang, I assume, undercover cop in Pattaya. Later everybody was saying foreign police can't carry guns in Thailand. That didnt seem to stop him. Another time I had an english undercover cop pointed out to me. I suppose all things considered there must be lots of foreign cops in thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pom Michael Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Joe, Not trying to be a smart-*ss, but according to my understanding of entrapment : quote: ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case. However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. Under this defination, this case is not entrapment at all. Again, I'm not saying that this is what Farangs should be doing in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Michael, You do have a point - allow me to clarify myself. I am pretty sure that the Uzbek ladies intended to break the law whether or not they were provided with the opportunity by government agents. However, the crown attorney (prosecutor) would need to prove this in court. I should instead say that where I am from, these ladies would likely not be convicted, provided they got themselves a decent lawyer who could make a plausible defense that they were entrapped. In fact, the police here would not even attempt this tactic because of the low probability of getting a conviction. JG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Entrapment? Those that own the Kingdom makes the rules. They can get away with just about whatever they wish. Uzbekistan, borders Afghanistan to the NW. Its central asian and muslim. Although they have various people there, basically they have a middle eastern look but more fair skinned. Some citizens do have a more classic asian look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Entrapment ... say like in the States, where female cops dress as streetwalkers and flag down passing motorists, making suggestive remarks too? And if you reply, WHOMP!!! The cops are all over you. The courts will burn you too. p.s. I knew a pharmacist who got burnt big time at home by what I would definitely call entrapment. A man came in asking for a medication w/o having a prescription. The pharmacist turned him down. But they guy begged and pleaded, saying it was for his sick wife and he didn't have money to get an MD to renew the prescription. The pharmacist finally broke down and sold it to the guy. The "poor husband" then produced his ID and cited the pharmacist for selling drugs illegally. Cost the pharmacist a US$20,000 fine. In my home town, the local cops also used to send around a bearded guy who looked at least mid-20s to buy beer. Nobody bothered to ask for any ID, since he certainly looked old enough. But then the cops came prancing in the door, since their "bait" actually was only 19. (Need to be 21 in the States, says the effing Federal government. Even soldiers, sailors and marines with 3 years service can't buy a beer if they are only 20.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidflux Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Flashermac: [QB]Entrapment ... say like in the States, where female cops dress as streetwalkers and flag down passing motorists, making suggestive remarks too? And if you reply, WHOMP!!! The cops are all over you. The courts will burn you too.[QB] Not entirely true. You cant get cited just for pulling over, you have to actually solicit the cop to get busted. Just like Thailand, prostitution is illegal, but unlike Thailand the cops here dont look the other way. Cant really feel sorry for the poor bastards who get caught. Chris [ September 08, 2001: Message edited by: liquidflux ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 I thought that American servicemen could drink at 18 so long as they were on a military base or ship? Has this changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhumvit Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 quote: Originally posted by noo6: Another time I had an english undercover cop pointed out to me. I suppose all things considered there must be lots of foreign cops in thailand. Dunno about undercover cops but there are certainly off duty cops there. Was at Best Friend Bar in Ptty talking to a guy who lives about 20 miles from me in UK. Turns out he was a peeler on his jollies. When I had recourse to call the boys in blue a few months ago the detective that came out noticed my, ahum, interest in things Oriental (maybe it was the pictures of Vietnam or the Buddhist shrine but it wasn't that hard really as when he asked me what had been stolen when my house was burgled I told him that about 500 Thai baht had also been whipped, you know they really train those guys well), and he was virtually hopping up and down going on about how his mates from the station all go on holiday to Thailand. So there. You never know who's on a barstool next to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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