ChristianTroy Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 We shoulda noticed by now, Our behavior is dumb And if our chances expect to improve Its gonna take a lot more than tryin to remove Frank Zappa â?º Dumb All Over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidel Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Another Update from MSNBC. Worth a watch. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/191006Countdown.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianTroy Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Holy Mother Of God! that was the most emotional speech I have ever seen on a TV show! I hope they won't torture him for telling the truth! It seems people start having enough of their "president" when even the media starts getting agressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidel Posted October 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I agree. It's about time people started to call it like it is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitagawn Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Fidel- I agree its disgusting.I feel Bush is ruining our country,our image and our reality. However may I kindly ask you a question is there anything at all you like about the states? Just curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 My take. First, I have long since given up any notion that we (Americans) are as free as we think we are. Not just since Bush but for years now we have slowly eroded the freedoms that we formed the nation with. I also can totally understand those non Americans who can't understand why Americans don't see the harm we do and throw their hands up in the air. I do the same about things I see other countries as well. However, I will say this. EVERY country has some issues that those from the outside look in amazement as to why its citizens don't change things. What makes the situation in America different is America's power in the world, militarily, econoimically, politically and culturally. If the same exact thing happend in Sweden no one would care except the few Swedes who wonder why their countrymen don't see it. I've been fortunate to visit and learn about a great many countries and suffice to say, there are probably greater personal freedoms in America than most western nations. There are some things in England (the prevalence of CCTV, domestic spying, rules of evicence, etc.) that wouldn't be put up with in America. I'm sure if I studied Germany, France or Holland enough I could find things that they allow which most Americans wouldn't stand for. Although 99.9% of Americans abhor the nazi flag and totally hate its message, we see it as an affront of personal rights to tell someone they can't have one which is against the law in Germany as an example. Like most countries that go down the slippery slope of eroding civil liberties, etc. nothing usually happens till its either too late or damn close to being too late. America is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Well put! It wasn't so long ago that it was illegal in Germany to use a "non-approved" modem or telephone or fax. This was just a big scam to try to force you to buy the 5 X's more expensive phone/modem/fax, etc. This was a huge crush to the personal freedoms in Germany...and made for a nice blackmarket for these products Or how about the German government forcing businesses to close a certain times? We used to go to Venlo, Holland to shop because the shops in Germany, by law, had to close at 6 PM. Just examples, nothing nasty toward Germany, as they have outstanding beer, ladies, etc. Same-same, but a little different in other countries. The USA is the big boy, so when he falls down (screws up), there is a big thud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidel Posted October 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Fidel- I agree its disgusting.I feel Bush is ruining our country,our image and our reality. However may I kindly ask you a question is there anything at all you like about the states? Just curious... The Simpsons, Southpark, Some of the music, movies, authors etc, the people. I'm just against the regime and the seemingly sheep-like nature of many of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianTroy Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 About the business times in Germany, there is only 1 reason for it. If there weren't restrictions the giant stores would destroy the small stores because they couldn't afford to pay the staff for 24 hours. We have many of these small Shops and it is hard enough for them to survive, the government is protecting them which is a good thing to do! Stores are open to 8pm and of course it would be nice if they were open longer but Germans are so used ot it, there would be a huge drop in sales after 8 pm, it would take years to get people change their routines. You only miss what you had before, since we never had it we don't miss it! Also it is not a restriction to steal the freedom, we are a social state where the government is taking care of you. Nobody here has to die from hunger or hast to live on the street, everybody gets medical treatments, the system has millions of flaws but it is still better than having nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 I remember being cooped up in a cold platoon bay in basic training at effing Fort Ord, wondering how free my country really was when the government could send me a letter telling me I was going into the Army -- and that they were going to do anything they wanted with me for the next two years, including sending me off to foreign countries where people would try to kill me. My only alternative was to go into a federal prison instead. While I realise the necessity of a military, it did still smack a bit of "involuntary servitude" to me, and that was banned by the US Constitution in 1865! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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