Mentors Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 drivers 1 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Ferrari 110 2 Lewis Hamilton British McLaren-Mercedes 109 3 Fernando Alonso Spanish McLaren-Mercedes 109 4 Felipe Massa Brazilian Ferrari 94 5 Nick Heidfeld German BMW 61 6 Robert Kubica Polish BMW 39 7 Heikki Kovalainen Finnish Renault 30 8 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 21 9 Nico Rosberg German Williams-Toyota 20 10 David Coulthard British Red Bull-Renault 14 11 Alexander Wurz Austrian Williams-Toyota 13 12 Mark Webber Australian Red Bull-Renault 10 13 Jarno Trulli Italian Toyota 8 14 Sebastian Vettel German STR-Ferrari 6 15 Jenson Button British Honda 6 16 Ralf Schumacher German Toyota 5 17 Takuma Sato Japanese Super Aguri-Honda 4 18 Vitantonio Liuzzi Italian STR-Ferrari 3 19 Adrian Sutil German Spyker-Ferrari 1 20 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Honda 21 Scott Speed USA STR-Ferrari 0 22 Kazuki Nakajima Japanese Williams-Toyota 0 23 Anthony Davidson British Super Aguri-Honda 0 24 Sakon Yamamoto Japanese Spyker-Ferrari 0 25 Christijan Albers Dutch Spyker-Ferrari 0 26 Markus Winkelhock German Spyker-Ferrari 0 27 Bernd Maylaender German Mercedes-Benz CLK63AMG 0 (Safety Car) :grin: teams 1 Ferrari 204 2 BMW 101 3 Renault 51 4 Williams-Toyota 33 5 Red Bull-Renault 24 6 Toyota 13 7 STR-Ferrari 8 8 Honda 6 9 Super Aguri-Honda 4 10 Spyker-Ferrari 1 - McLaren-Mercedes 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Hamilton said there was no technical problem. He accidentally pushed the wrong button and admitted it was soley his mistake. Either way the appeal goes, it is going to be a fitting end to the season. If Kimi wins, he deserves it the most because he won the most races and I think that actually is a better measure than the points system designed to keep it close. If Hamilton takes it, it will be the icing on the cake of the last seemingly biased ruling designed to hand pick Hamilton as the winner. Interesting thing is Ferrari out of nowhere actually won the constructors championship on merit! Makes the McLaren pit crew look pretty dumb when they handed their team boss a fake trophy for "The Real Constructors Champion" without knowing that. Personally, I would like to see Alonso paired with Hamilton again. Couldn't get more fireworks than to see that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 One can't help feeling that a lot of folks did not want Hamilton to win though. Don't know if it was racism or just anti-McLarenism. Every time Hamilton took a piss, it seemed somebody wanted to investigate. On the other hand ... << `Lengthy Deliberations' Under technical regulations, fuel temperatures on board F-1 racing cars aren't allowed to drop 10 degrees Celsius below air temperature. According to race data, Williams and BMW Sauber exceeded this range. Stewards decided not to impose sanctions after ``lengthy deliberations,'' the Web site said. Had Rosberg, Kubica and Heidfeld been stripped of their points, Hamilton would have been promoted to fourth and become the first rookie to win the title. >> Two companies clearly broke the rules, but they are allowed to keep their points so that Hamilton cannot win. Formula 1 begins to look more and more like US politics, and Lewis Hamilton is the Al Gore substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 p.s. And if one wants to get picky, Formula 1 rules specifically state that drivers are not supposed to help their team mates win. But Massa very obviously allowed Kimi to pass him in order to finish first and win the title. Seems rules only apply when the F1 poobahs decide they do. Something is rotten in F1-dom. Just pure coincidence that Max Mosely is good buddies with the Ferrari folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Two companies clearly broke the rules, but they are allowed to keep their points so that Hamilton cannot win. Formula 1 begins to look more and more like US politics, and Lewis Hamilton is the Al Gore substitute. Same fuel thing happened about ten years ago on same circuit. Then the drivers were Schumacher of Benetton and Coulthard of some other team. They both were allowed to keep their points but teams didn't get any. So that should be end of speculation for this last conspiracy theory this season :smirk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Hamilton agrees and says he would't want to win through disqualifications: Link Interesting take by James Allen: "McLaren are devastated but it is hard to feel much sympathy for them. "They made a terrible mistake in leaving Hamilton out on knackered tyres in China while they hesitated over what to do next. "If they had brought him in two laps earlier, when it was bleeding obvious he was in trouble, and put any kind of tyres onto his car, he would have scored five or six points and Raikkonen wouldnâ??t even have been in contention in Brazil. "But they tried to win the title in China, when they didnâ??t need to, and paid a massive price. "So Kimi really has McLaren to thank for this world title because they quite literally gave it to him." Link But I still prefer conspiracy theories. Facts are so ... boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Team orders were always and still are part of F1 that still go on even after they were banned. The only time I recall an actual penalty levied for them was when Alonso was ordered to hold up Hamilton during qualifying and the penalty was applied in such a way to hurt Alonso's and help Hamilton's title chances. Now I will say in the Massa situation Ferrari could of, should of, and probably would of used team orders, but they didn't need to. It looked like a classic pitlane overtake that Kimi made, staying out longer doing a few hot laps with a bit more fuel, and turned the tables coming out in front. Overtaking has happened just like that all year long. There have been much more blatant team orders where a light fueled car is allowed to quickly and easily pass the heavier one of the same team that have not raised any scrutiny. How is this for a team order: McLaren should have told Alonso to blow his engine which would not have affected Alonso's overall 3rd but given Hamilton enough points to win the drivers championship. If it were any other driver except this particular rivalry I imagine it would have happened. Maybe in the future McLaren can add a remote kill switch! Every time Hamilton took a piss, it seemed somebody wanted to investigate Everyone except the one that counts--the FIA. During qualifying of the final race, Hamilton ruined Kimi's hot lap. Everyone knew it: the teams, the fans, Kimi, even Hamilton admitted it and apologized. Amazingly, the stewards decided not to so much as bother to look into it!!! For any other driver, impeding another driver during qual has resulted in a 10 place grid penalty all year long. fuel temperatures on board F-1 racing cars aren't allowed to drop 10 degrees Celsius below air temperature I think they need to call it by the book and we'll see what definitive data they discover, but it's just that all year long they seem to penalize when it helps Hamilton and ignore breaches of the rules when it goes against him. A good example is the safety car incident where they first penalized Vettel for crashing into Webber, but after fan footage revealed Hamilton's erratic driving as the cause they decided no one should get a penalty. Hamilton agrees and says he would't want to win through disqualifications He has not pledged to hand the trophy to Kimi in the event he wins due to the disqualifications so I think it is just PR BS that will backfire should he win. And if he doesn't win, he'll be forever known as the choke artist of F1 blowing a commanding lead with major blunders in the last two races. But regardless, I think he impressed everyone this year. Usually when you even put the test driver behind the wheel they don't perform very well (err Nakajima bowling over his pit crew) yet Hamilton a rookie was very competitive right out of the gates and showed racing class the whole season. I just hope he's paired with a great driver next year so we can gauge how good he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Himmaparn Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Quote:Every time Hamilton took a piss, it seemed somebody wanted to investigate Everyone except the one that counts--the FIA. During qualifying of the final race, Hamilton ruined Kimi's hot lap. Everyone knew it: the teams, the fans, Kimi, even Hamilton admitted it and apologized. Amazingly, the stewards decided not to so much as bother to look into it!!! For any other driver, impeding another driver during qual has resulted in a 10 place grid penalty all year long. Blame that on the FIA meddling. Hamilton had no choice but to go when his fueling was finished as Alonso was coming in on his tail. Can you imagine the consequences if the team had held him for even a second longer? I'm elated that Kimi won the title, what a comeback! But please replace these idiots that run the FIA.... it has to be the poorest excuse for a sanctioning body in all of professional sports. It will be interesting to view this season from a historical perspective after the lawsuits are resolved and the tell-all books have been published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mentors Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Race Calendar 2008 01 Australian Grand Prix (Melbourne) 14 - 16 Mar 02 Malaysian Grand Prix (Kuala Lumpur) 21 - 23 Mar 03 Bahrain Grand Prix (Bahrain) 04 - 06 Apr 04 Spanish Grand Prix (Catalunya) 25 - 27 Apr 05 Turkish Grand Prix (Istanbul) 09 - 11 May 06 Monaco Grand Prix (Monte Carlo) 22 - 25 May 07 Canadian Grand Prix (Montreal) * 06 - 08 Jun 08 French Grand Prix (Magny-Cours) 20 - 22 Jun 09 British Grand Prix (Silverstone) 04 - 06 Jul 10 German Grand Prix (Hockenheim) 18 - 20 Jul 11 Hungarian Grand Prix (Budapest) 01 - 03 Aug 12 European Grand Prix (Valencia) ** 22 - 24 Aug 13 Belgian Grand Prix (Spa-Francor.) 05-07 Sept. 14 Italian Grand Prix (Monza) 12 - 14 Sep 15 Singapore Grand Prix (Singapore) ** 26-28 Sep 16 Japanese Grand Prix (Fuji Speedw.)10-12 Oct 17 Chinese Grand Prix (Shanghai) 17 - 19 Oct 18 Brazilian Grand Prix (Sao Paulo) 31 Oct-02 Nov *provisional ** Subject to circuit approval Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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