Bangkoktraveler Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 What I see is this 'problem' is deeply rooted in politics. Hard to find 'real truths'. Each side is using it for their own political point. They really don't give a shit about the citizen, they are in it only to toot their own horn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreigner Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 the UN report just out contends 90% of scientist support mans involvement. the BBC documentary states that most of the scientist against the emission factor are on the payroll of oil, coal, auto, electric companies. (or have spoken to jesus) facts like ocean temps effect on fish distribution are seldom discussed. politicians should seldom be listened to: obama associated climate with tornadoes recently .. not true. as an 'adult' I favor deficit spending, negative balance of payments & 4 barrel quadra jet carbs. f' the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Nobody ever comes right out and says it. There's just too many people on the planet. And I'm one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 It's amazing how every pollie want's to be all enviro friendly all of a sudden. The countries who cause most of the emissions are the same ones who do the least to address the issue. The Kyoto Protocol was introduced for a reason. It wasn't a solution but would at least contibute to addressing what has become an obvious contributing factor to the current dilemna. The problem now is that governments have launched another scare campaign to distract from the the issues at hand. Australia however finds itself in a very powerful situation. As the biggest producers of coal and uraninium the Government kind of finds itself in the box seat when it comes to alternative energy. But all Howard talks about it not jeopodising our healthy economy. The problem with that attitude is my kids and grandkids will suffer in the long term. The future really is man-made isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denarius Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 I don't have links for all planets, just for Mars below. But I've read that all the planets in the solar system are warming up. Might be more to it than just the humans. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Look absolutely there maybe greater forces at work here but regardless we still have to take resposibility for our own actions. Whatever is happening in the greater regions (Mars etc) it doesn't change the fact that we are destroying our own ozone layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denarius Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 It is a fact that the sun creates and destroys ozone. The earth destroys ozone as well. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/12/001215082423.htm Has it ever been proven that humans have caused any ozone depletion and how significant is it compared to other factors? CFCs are 5 times heavier than air. How do they get into the stratosphere? Finally, a word from a reliable expert. Robert Pease, Professor Emeritus of Physical Climatology at one of Americaâ??s leading universities, sent a disclaimer about what he called the â??media-endorsed ozone-depletion theoryâ? to many United States newspapers. Only a handful published it. Here are some excerpts: â??..The ozone layer self heals. Ozone molecules in the atmosphere are constantly being replenished, created when energetic ultraviolet light splits normal oxygen. In addition, the ozone layer is replenished by upward diffusion of smog-induced surface ozone. The belief that CFC molecules will rise and collect in the stratosphere is incorrect. Even if they did, there is a low probability of enough CFC decomposition necessary for ozone depletion. Based on Professor Rowlandâ??s own calculations, there will be one CFC for every 136 million normal oxygen atoms in the ozone layer at 25 km altitude. Clear-cut evidence of ozone depletion is lacking. The entire theory is based on the supposition that somehow heavier-than-air CFC molecules rise into the stratosphere unimpeded. In no way can manmade destruction of the ozone layer be accepted as fact. Eventually a scientific debate may take place, and this ozone depletion scare might finally be laid to rest.." (R.Pease) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Robert Pease. Is this the Shell executive Robert Pease or the hired gun/attorney, famous for his testimony in Senate Hearings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denarius Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Robert Pease, Professor Emeritus of Physical Climatology at one of Americaâ??s leading universities. (from the paragraph above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Yep realise that just trying to determine if he wears a few different hats or are they just namesakes. Any chance of a group photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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