Steve Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 ...hurry up 2008 and let's move on! Agree. I think the nation, no matter the ideology is ready for a change...any change. That's the feeling I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 The far left has its issues as well, don't get me wrong (sometimes a U.S. is always wrong mentality) but it can't be accused of having a U.S is never wrong mentality. Just a 'right is always wrong' mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elef Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Maybe you can say that USA have changed to a new world. I've pointed out before that invention of illegal combattants is an acceptance of the Soviet treatment of germans soldiers as not POWs (entering the country without a visa or other immigration papers), or even more obvious the north vietnamese/FNL treatment of american soldiers in Vietnam (without a war declaration or UN mandate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Ah, but the US forces were in the Republic of Vietnam (= South) at the invitation of that government, legally recognised and a member of the United Nations. One could argue with more validity that the North Vietnamese soldiers were in the south illegally -- without any declaration of war and slipping in clandestinely through another country (Laos). p.s. Hitler only declared war one time -- on the US after Pearl Harbor. If he hadn't, FDR would have had a helluva time trying to get the US Congress to declare war on Hitler. Americans were pissed off at Japan, not Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 p.p.s. Of course, Hanoi could use your argument against the US airmen who were shot down and captured over the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elef Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 The winner takes all, writes the history and is right. From a vietnamese POV the south vietnamse state was illegal, compare it with the southern states during your civil war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Show of hands, please. Who here (besides me) has actually READ the applicable Geneva Conventions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidel Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elef Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I've, both in law school and as officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Fourth Geneva Convention: "Article 49. The second paragraph of Article 49 provides that persons displaced during armed conflict must be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased. This right of displaced persons is often referred to as the 'right of return' and has been reaffirmed in later international treaties and conventions. State Practice also establishes this rule as a norm of customary international law, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross." However, this did not apply to the WWII Allies or to the wars in Israel/Palestine. Only some countries are obligated to follow the Geneva Conventions, mainly the one that lose a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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