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[Bangkoktraveler]

THE ONE POLL THAT IS ACTUALLY SCIENTIFIC !

 

 

 

"The one poll where Obama has commanding lead: 7-11 coffee cups

 

October 9, 2012, 11:41 AM

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While most polls in the presidential race are pretty tight, one that has successfully predicted the winners in the last three elections has President Barack Obama with a commanding lead: The 7-Eleven coffee cup contest.

 

The convenience-store chain sells coffee cups colored red or blue and marked with the names of the Democratic incumbent and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

 

Nationally, Obama is up 60% to 40% and is even beating the former Massachusetts governor in such GOP strongholds as Utah, Texas and South Carolina.

 

As of Tuesday, Romney was ahead in just two states, Idaho and West Virginia. He does not break 60% in either of them while the president is well ahead of that number in several, including California, Washington, New Mexico and Iowa.

 

New Hampshire is tied.

 

– Bill Spain"

 

 

WINK

 

 

 

Actually, the way my dog pisses in the morning

has always predicted the President who will win.

[Bangkoktraveler]

Looks like Biden knocked the buggers out of Ryan.

[TheCorinthian]

Looks like Biden knocked the buggers out of Ryan.

 

 

Huh?

 

CNN's Anderson Cooper just said Biden "looked condescending through out the debat, which turned me a democrat off."

[TheCorinthian]

Looks like Biden knocked the buggers out of Ryan.

 

huh?

 

 

MSNBC just said "Biden could have done so much better."

 

My link

 

[Flashermac]

Didn't see it, but the reports all make it sound like Biden was the pompous buffoon he usually is.

 

Twitter frowns on Joe Biden's laugh

 

Biden contradicts State Department on Benghazi security

 

 

 

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Meanwhile ...

 

Times/Bay News 9/Herald exclusive Florida poll: Romney 51, Obama 44

[Bangkoktraveler]

Huh?

 

CNN's Anderson Cooper just said Biden "looked condescending through out the debat, which turned me a democrat off."

 

 

Gee, it sounds like you get your information second handed.

[Bangkoktraveler]

What was Biden's famous line?

Something like

 

"What a line of crap!"

[Steve]

Biden was the aggressor and that was expected. Its a matter of personal opinion if he was too much. I suspect it depends on your ideology.

 

On substance, Biden got the better on him on a few things, especially foreign policy in Afghanistan as well as other areas of foreign policy. Biden also cornered Ryan and made him say what he really thought of abortion, which is they want the government to eventually outlaw it.

[Flashermac]

Was there any clear winner?

 

Since Biden is a practicing Catholic (as is Ryan), I wonder what he thinks of abortion. Two Micks going at it.

[Flashermac]

CNN Poll: Debate watchers split on who won VP debate

 

 

Forty-eight percent of voters who watched the vice presidential debate think that Rep. Paul Ryan won the showdown, according to a CNN/ORC International nationwide poll conducted right after Thursday night's faceoff. Forty-four percent say that Vice President Joe Biden was victorious. The Republican running mate's four point advantage among a debate audience that was more Republican than the country as a whole is within the survey's sampling error.

 

My link

 

 

Peggy Noonan:

 

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There were fireworks all the way, and plenty of drama. Each candidate could claim a win in one area or another, but by the end it looked to me like this: For the second time in two weeks, the Democrat came out and defeated himself. In both cases the Republican was strong and the Democrat somewhat disturbing.

 

Another way to say it is the old man tried to patronize the kid and the kid stood his ground. The old man pushed, and the kid pushed back.

 

Last week Mr. Obama was weirdly passive. Last night Mr. Biden was weirdly aggressive, if that is the right word for someone who grimaces, laughs derisively, interrupts, hectors, rolls his eyes, browbeats and attempts to bully.

 

He meant to dominate, to seem strong and no-nonsense. Sometimes he did—he had his moments. But he was also disrespectful and full of bluster. "Oh, now you're Jack Kennedy!" he snapped at one point. It was an echo of Lloyd Bentsen to Dan Quayle, in 1988. But Mr. Quayle, who had compared himself to Kennedy, had invited the insult. Mr. Ryan had not. It came from nowhere.

 

Did Mr. Biden look good? No, he looked mean and second-rate. He meant to undercut Mr. Ryan, but he undercut himself. His grimaces and laughter were reminiscent of Al Gore's sighs in 2000—theatrical, off-putting and in the end self-indicting.

 

Mr. Ryan was generally earnest, fluid, somewhat wonky, confident. He occasionally teetered on the edge of glibness and sometimes fell off. If I understood him correctly during the exchange on Iran, he seemed to suggest to moderator Martha Raddatz that a nuclear war in the Mideast would be preferable to a nuclearized Iran. Really? That easy, is it? Mr. Biden had one of his first good moments when he said, essentially, "Whoa." Actually he said war should always be a very last resort, which is always a good thing to say, and to mean.

 

Because the debate was so rich in charge and countercharge, and because it covered so much ground, both parties will be able to mine the videotape for their purposes. On the attack in Benghazi, the question that opened the debate, Mr. Biden was on the defensive and full of spin. He pivoted quickly to talking points, a move that was at once too smooth and too clumsy. He was weak on requests for added security before the consulate was overrun and the ambassador killed. "We will get to the bottom of this." Oh. Good.

 

Mr. Ryan was strong on spending and taxes. On foreign affairs and defense spending, he was on weaker ground. Medicare and Social Security were probably a draw.

 

Mr. Ryan coolly laid out the numbers and the need for change, but Mr. Biden emoted in a way that seemed sincere and was perhaps compelling. He scored when he knocked Mr. Romney for his 47% remarks, saying those who pay only payroll taxes pay a higher rate than many of the rich, including Mr. Romney.

 

Mr. Ryan in turn scored on the unemployment rate in Scranton, Pa., Mr. Biden's hometown. It is 10%. It was 8.5% when the recession began. "This is not what a real recovery looks like." Mr. Ryan on abortion was personal and believable. Mr. Biden seemed to be going through the pro-choice motions.

 

I have just realized the problem with the debate: it was the weird distance between style and content, and the degree to which Mr. Biden's style poisoned his content.

 

In terms of content—the seriousness and strength of one's positions and the ability to argue for them—the debate was probably a draw, with both candidates having strong moments. But in terms of style, Mr. Biden was so childishly manipulative that it will be surprising if independents and undecideds liked what they saw.

 

National Democrats keep confusing strength with aggression and command with sarcasm. Even the latter didn't work for Mr. Biden. The things he said had the rhythm and smirk of sarcasm without the cutting substance.

 

And so the Romney-Ryan ticket emerged ahead. Its momentum was neither stopped nor slowed and likely was pushed forward.

 

Meaning that things will continue to get hotter. The campaign trail, commercials, all sorts of mischief—everything will get jacked up, cranked up. Meaning the next debate is even more important. Which means, since the next debate is a town hall and won't be mano-a-mano at the podium, that the third debate, on foreign policy, will be the most important of all.

 

Ms. Raddatz acquitted herself admirably, keeping things moving, allowing the candidates to engage, probing. There was a real humanity to her presence. We just saw Jim Lehrer beat up for what was also good work. May her excellence go unpunished.

 

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