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I hardly think anyone in Thailand expected a clearly marked royal aircraft to be siezed. The CP regularly makes visits to Germany. They just decided to ambush him.

 

I don't think that a name painted on an aircraft has anything to do with its ownership. Only the airplane registration documents do matter here.

 

As a student I made some money by having some advertisement (logo and name) of a local club printed on my car. However, I have still been the owner of the car.

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I don't think that a name painted on an aircraft has anything to do with its ownership. Only the airplane registration documents do matter here.

 

As a student I made some money by having some advertisement (logo and name) of a local club printed on my car. However, I have still been the owner of the car.

 

Indeed, even the flag carrier airlines often lease aircraft, but still apply their logo and paint job.

 

My take on this would be that in some countries property of the crown is the property of the government. Since in such countries the monarchy is the property of the people anything they 'own' is also state property. Whilst they may personally own anything such items as aircraft, properties etc. would typically be crown (state) property.

 

I suspect that in a country of variables there is much opportunity for such items to be crown(personal) or crown (state) as and when necessary.

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Indeed, even the flag carrier airlines often lease aircraft, but still apply their logo and paint job.

 

My take on this would be that in some countries property of the crown is the property of the government. Since in such countries the monarchy is the property of the people anything they 'own' is also state property. Whilst they may personally own anything such items as aircraft, properties etc. would typically be crown (state) property.

 

I suspect that in a country of variables there is much opportunity for such items to be crown(personal) or crown (state) as and when necessary.

 

I think only aviation specialist can answer this. Is there an international register where all large airplanes and it's owners are registered (like for merchant ships)?

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I think only aviation specialist can answer this. Is there an international register where all large airplanes and it's owners are registered (like for merchant ships)?

 

 

In one of the first articles about the impounding of the plane was a quote of the liquidator saying he had to prepare the whole mission extremely carefully. One part was clarifying the ownership of the plane and according to its registration papers he could identify it as Thai state property. Only later Thailand claimed the plane has been presented to the CP. However, it took a week to come up with documents. Looking at the court's decision these papers couldn't clear the ownership 100%.

 

I still believe that the courts in Germany are really independent but of course also an independent court can err. However, this is pretty unlikely and therefore I believe the German view much more than the Thai. The lunatic threats from some Thai politicians actually discredit Thailand more than helping its cause.

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This is not the first time the WB insolvency administrator has had an airplane seized, he did it to the Lebanese national air carrier back in 2005.

Twisting arms

 

Seems to have worked that time, so he decided to try in again with Thailand. I suspect that once the new government is formed they will pay the bill and try to do so quietly.

TH

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As I see it, the plane had belonged to the RTAF, but was later signed over to the CP. So maybe somebody forgot to change the international registration? (That sounds typically Thai.) Also, this is hardly a standard passenger carrier. It is set up completely different, with something like 26 seat total.

 

But I'm with TH on this. Thaksin will tell Yingluck to take care of it and then claim credit for solving the situation (by doing what the government could have done all along).

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Abhisit warns German govt to back off

 

 

The German government has no right to pressure Thailand to pay compensation in its dispute with a German contractor, says outgoing Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

 

The German embassy has demanded on its website that the Thai government compensate Walter Bau Co for alleged contractual violations to Don Muang Tollway Co in which Walter Bau was a shareholder.

 

Mr Abhisit said yesterday it was inappropriate for the German government to make such a demand when the legal dispute had not yet been settled.

 

The German government should refrain from commenting on the case, he said. The Foreign Ministry has written to the embassy, complaining about it posting the demand.

 

Mr Abhisit said that once the legal dispute was decided by the court, the Thai government would live up to its responsibility.

 

He said the German government had based its demand for Thailand to pay 36 million euro in compensation (1.55 billion baht) to Walter Bau based on an international arbitration panel's decision in Geneva, while the Thai government was in the process of appealing an order by the US District Court in New York that Thailand should pay up.

 

The court ruled in favour of Walter Bau in March 2010 and the government would appeal against the decision tomorrow.

 

"The government is in the process of a legal battle, especially against Walter Bau's exercise of its rights," Mr Abhisit said. "They might be referring to the arbitration, but we are talking about the compensation lawsuit in New York."

 

Walter Bau filed a claim with the German Civil Court seeking enforcement of the arbitration ruling. The court ordered the seizure of HRH Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn's plane at Munich airport earlier this month to force the government to pay.

 

 

BP 28 July

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As I see it, the plane had belonged to the RTAF, but was later signed over to the CP. So maybe somebody forgot to change the international registration? (That sounds typically Thai.) Also, this is hardly a standard passenger carrier. It is set up completely different, with something like 26 seat total.

 

But I'm with TH on this. Thaksin will tell Yingluck to take care of it and then claim credit for solving the situation (by doing what the government could have done all along).

 

Yes this scenario is very likely. Typical Thai sloppiness as nobody ever thought that the registration of the jet could be of such importance.

 

Thaksin claiming credit for solving the crisis? Great that's like setting the fire first and then claiming credit for having called the fire fighters. I hope the media won't forget who actually caused the mess by a single handed decision disrespecting existing contracts in 2004. But again this is Thailand (or should I say Thaksinland) and he will probably get away with it as he has done before. :whatever:

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I've had red shirt taxi drivers vehemently insist that Thaksin never broke any laws! It is all lies started by Sondhi or the Democrats. Well, that is what the red shirt radio stations told them day after day, until they were shut down after the April riots and burnings. I wonder if Yingluck will allow them to open up again? I used to shake my head listening to the stations when I rode in taxis, usually with older women calling in and almost having as orgasm as they talked about how wonderful Big Brother was. It really was right out of "1984".

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Yeah, for them Thaksin is more than just a political leader. They admire him like a half god who is infallible. I gave up talking to taxi drivers about politics. They are not only biased but also lack the education to really understand the bigger picture. Most are completely brainwashed by redshirt propaganda, not willing to listening to any other points of view.

 

If Abhisit wants to leave Yingluck a bombshell, he should exploit the redshirts to lay siege to the German embassy until the jet will be released. Would be a nice hot potato for Yingluck to resolve.

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