acockasian Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 The sympathy is NOT because of a perception of biased reporting. The sympathy is because a large group of mostly poor and uneducated people waged economic warfare against the capital city of a country. The government hesitated to use measures that would have been justified but would have amounted in massive loss of life. And look what these uneducated poor motherfuckers did! I hope you feel sympathy for the old women that cheered in the youtube vid when the firebomb was thrown in the building and the young village punks getting caught with all the things they looted. You are SO MUCH more in touch with the people than the rest of us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 OK, settle down, the biased reporting attracted a lot of comments and letters in newspapers from expat Thais and people with business interests in Thailand (I even saw a retired diplomat firing off somewhere) which led to people wanting to know more about the situation. edit: Did you happen to note any big city punks joining in the looting? Bangkok would be an unusual city if that hadn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiHome Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I gave up arguing with TH and others, pointless debating people who distort continually small truths. I admire J2 for trying to have a intelligent debate, sadly that takes both sides to speak honestly, something I've learned is impossible here Would be interested to see where I have distorted small truths. I think what I have done is shown the political reality of what this is about, but people don't want to face that. Can you show some examples? If J2 is really interested in understanding what is going on, he needs to learn about the politics of his district and province. What faction controls the area he lives with rural family? Who is the leader? What is his history and who has he aligned with the past. Who controls the transportation, who is the middle man that they sell their agriculture products to? Who controls the building trade business? In other words who controls the economic fate of his family? I asked him these questions over 2 months ago when the demonstrations first started but he just dismissed them as irrelevant when in fact they are the key to seeing that the problem is not in Bangkok, the problem is right there at home. If J2 (or NG) feels picked on, it is only because they have been told facts they do want to accept or answer questions that if they did would show how their opinions are based more on a western liberal fantasy of a socialist rural utopia then the realities of Thai politics or economic development of a country. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 There is no dounbt Thailand need fair elections and yes the rural and the poor as in any country always get the short stick... That being said, one's civil rights cannot be violated and one one's daily life cannot be interrupted to the extent that it was. It went way beyond protesting. What right do they have to burn personal property and intimidate poeple? None..The red shirts tactics were dead wrong... Think of if the shoe was on the other foot. Bangkorians goes to your village, burns your rice fields before harvest as well as the local processing plant.. You would be singing a different tune today.. CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acockasian Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 "western liberal fantasy of a socialist rural utopia" or the version Kheiu Samphan came up with where you empower the elements of society that have been completely untouched by Western or even modern influence. None of this useless education, rules, commerce, etc. Anyone remember where the Original Khmer got Cambodia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I gave up arguing with TH and others' date=' pointless debating [u']people who distort continually small truths.[/u] I admire J2 for trying to have a intelligent debate, sadly that takes both sides to speak honestly, something I've learned is impossible here Would be interested to see where I have distorted small truths. I think what I have done is shown the political reality of what this is about, but people don't want to face that. Can you show some examples? If J2 is really interested in understanding what is going on, he needs to learn about the politics of his district and province. What faction controls the area he lives with rural family? Who is the leader? What is his history and who has he aligned with the past. Who controls the transportation, who is the middle man that they sell their agriculture products to? Who controls the building trade business? In other words who controls the economic fate of his family? I asked him these questions over 2 months ago when the demonstrations first started but he just dismissed them as irrelevant when in fact they are the key to seeing that the problem is not in Bangkok, the problem is right there at home. If J2 (or NG) feels picked on, it is only because they have been told facts they do want to accept or answer questions that if they did would show how their opinions are based more on a western liberal fantasy of a socialist rural utopia then the realities of Thai politics or economic development of a country. TH I've just had a search to find out what I said, I'm sure I took you more seriously than that. I did find this post by you though on your take on the situation at the time which I'm sure you won't mind me repeating. I don’t see it getting really violent or into a civil war like you say. I just see it continuing with bickering, extreme rhetoric, and all you see now. TH http://www.thai360.com/fbb/showtopic.php?tid/536528/post/832287/hl//fromsearch/1/#832287 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 "western liberal fantasy of a socialist rural utopia" or the version Kheiu Samphan came up with where you empower the elements of society that have been completely untouched by Western or even modern influence. None of this useless education, rules, commerce, etc. Anyone remember where the Original Khmer got Cambodia? Strangely enough I think you make a very good point about the Khmer. I don't think anyone here has affiliated the Redshirts with type of Communist thought or philosophy which was the problem with the "workers/peasant" revolution in Cambodia though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 "western liberal fantasy of a socialist rural utopia" or the version Kheiu Samphan came up with where you empower the elements of society that have been completely untouched by Western or even modern influence. None of this useless education' date=' rules, commerce, etc. Anyone remember where the Original Khmer got Cambodia?[/quote'] Strangely enough I think you make a very good point about the Khmer. I don't think anyone here has affiliated the Redshirts with type of Communist thought or philosophy which was the problem with the "workers/peasant" revolution in Cambodia though. I'm not quite certain what you mean by that. Some of the Red Shirt leaders made some remarks that were strongly reminiscent of Maoist teachings and philosophy. The raid on the hospital was straight out of the Maoist playbook. Everywhere else on the planet, hospitals are absolutely off-limits, to BOTH sides. Everyone else on the planet agrees that the traditional white cross on red background should not become a bullseye. (Kudos to a co-worker of mine who came up with that phrase.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Hoy Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 ACA...not necessarily directed to your post, but seemed like as good a place as any to post the following ( ) FWIW, I don’t think J2 was in any way condoning the actions of the Red Shirts and those who committed other criminal actions. I read J2 as merely posting about his views on why the rural poor (for the most part) joined in the “protestâ€Â; how reasonable dialogue is not possible with the “useful idiotsâ€Â; how his personal interaction with some of the “useful idiots†may cause him to sympathize with their perceived slights. Easy to say J2 may be a “Stockholm Syndrome†victim. And, to some extent, that might be a valid perception. IMO, there are many here who also understand the protesters’ viewpoints, but who do not agree with the manner in which they protested and the manner in which the Government failed to address the growing problem. Are they really any different than J2 and what he said? I don’t think so. I disagree heartily with anybody who considers J2’s post a validation of what has occurred. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shygye Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I guess you have forgotten Iraq, Mexico, etc. where people have been killed in the hospital. No one was killed in a Thai hospital. This all has its roots in the military coup. Shouldn't the coup leaders be tried for treason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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