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and - so if everything is always 'perfect, beautiful' etc, we'll see now, won't we Cav?

The Trump administration agrees to preserve record of communications with foreign leaders

From CNN's Greg Wallace https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-inquiry-10-02-2019/index.html

The Trump Administration agreed today in a court filing to preserve for now records of President Trump’s communications with foreign leaders, as requested by groups suing him and the White House, alleging such records have not been preserved as required by federal law. 

The commitment applies to “all records reflecting Defendants' meetings, phone calls, and other communications with foreign leaders” as well as records of White House preservation and communication policies. It specifically includes “all records of efforts by White House or other executive branch officials to return, claw back, ‘lock down,’ or recall White House records reflecting Defendants' meetings, phone calls, and other communications with foreign leaders were distributed to or otherwise shared with agency officials.”

Some background: The lawsuit was filed in May, long before the Ukraine scandal, by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, known as CREW, the National Security Archive at George Washington University, and the Society for Historians of American Foreign Relations over concerns the White House was not complying with the Presidential Records Act. 

But Tuesday a request for a temporary restraining order was filed after the whistleblower complaint raised allegations of how the White House handles records of Trump’s conversations with foreign leaders.  

Arf arf....

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Light weights, I get my TDS direct from Trump, I don't need no mentally deficient idiots to think for me, like you do Cav.

 

Trump lays a big bet by repeating act at heart of impeachment investigation

Analysis: His move could "normalize" his behavior to voters — or bolster the case that he is bent on abusing his power.

WASHINGTON — On the surface, President Donald Trump's latest defense appears half-defiant, half-wild.

On Thursday, he undertook the very action that House Democrats have said was an impeachable offense when he did it privately on a phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in July — only this time, he did it publicly.

As he departed the White House for Florida, he called for two countries — including one of America's top adversaries — to probe the family of one of his potential 2020 rivals, former Vice President Joe Biden.

He said Ukraine should investigate the Bidens, then added, "And, by the way ... China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine."
 
If Trump were subject to traditional legal jeopardy, it would be highly unusual — not to mention, counterproductive — to brazenly and publicly recommit the possible crime for which he was under investigation. But the Justice Department has opined that the president cannot be indicted for any reason, and Trump has no concern that he will be held accountable in a courtroom anytime soon.

So what he is facing is an inherently political impeachment process informed by public opinion. He needs to keep Republican voters in his corner. If he can do that, their elected representatives in the House — and, more important, in the Senate — will have a harder time abandoning him.

He's deploying a two-pronged strategy, said Republican strategist Ron Bonjean, who helped shepherd Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch's nomination through the Senate and has worked as a leadership aide in both chambers of Congress.

"With these type of stakes, you're either hitting the other side or you're getting hit, and he's trying to turn the coverage toward him hitting, and it's working," Bonjean said of one prong. "The other is for him to normalize" his efforts to push other countries to investigate the Bidens.

Trump didn't even do much to distance himself from the politics of the investigations he is seeking.

"I think Biden is going down," he said when asked about the former vice president's remark that his family wouldn't be taken down by the president. "And I think his whole situation — because now you may very well find that there are many other countries that they scammed, just like they scammed China and Ukraine. And basically, who are they really scamming? The U.S.A. And it's not good."

The obvious gamble is that voters will see his public pleas as evidence that he has nothing to hide, rather than legitimizing the allegation that he is abusing his office to pursue a personal political vendetta.

"What he’s basically saying to the public is, 'If this was so bad, I wouldn’t be talking about it,'" said Michael Steele, a former Republican National Committee chairman and vocal critic of the president. Yet, "in effect, all he’s doing is confirming and affirming what people are alleging he’s done that is problematic."

What Trump has to worry about is that a much greater share of the public will decide that he has violated his oath of office, abused his power as president and should be removed from office. If that happens, both his re-election and his ability to keep Republican lawmakers in his corner are at risk.

There are signs his remarks may well add to his troubles in the House.

"Someone should inform the president that impeachable offenses committed on national television still count," Hillary Clinton, who watched Trump publicly ask Russia to find and release her emails during their 2016 campaign fight, wrote on Twitter.

But for now, the president clearly is focused on the public-relations war, which first means making sure GOP voters don't let Republican senators walk away from him and ends with trying to survive impeachment with enough strength to carry the electoral college in 2020.

His take is that he did nothing wrong, not that he didn't do it.

If it works, Republican voters will stand by him, and that will force his party's lawmakers to do the same. Technically, the initial test is in the House, where Democrats have enough votes to impeach him without Republicans, but the count of GOP defectors will be closely watched. To avoid removal from office, Trump has to make sure he doesn't lose 20 senators — a number that would be easy for him to hit if there isn't a major shift in public opinion.

But his tack is fraught with peril: It may not take many Republicans in Congress turning on him to convince more voters — and other GOP lawmakers — that what he's done is, in fact, an abuse of power that threatens the sanctity of national elections, underscores why the founding fathers warned against foreign entanglements, and jeopardizes Americans' faith in their republic.

The jury of Republican senators, and some GOP voters, may not take kindly to him bragging about his actions.

With House Democrats bearing down on impeachment, and knowledgeable State Department officials lining up to testify on Capitol Hill, Trump may have little choice but to follow this path. His White House released evidence, in the form of a summary of his comments on the summer call with Zelenskiy, that he had sought a probe into the Bidens as one of two favors discussed in conjunction with the release of $391 million in U.S. aid to Ukraine that he had stalled.

It's worth noting that, in addition to the money for Ukraine, Trump currently has the leverage of hundreds of billions of dollars on tariffs on China as a bargaining chip as he seeks a Biden investigation in that country. While extortion or bribery could be part of a charge, it's not necessary for an article of impeachment. One could be drafted and voted on simply on the use of his office to pursue personal political gain.

Steele said Trump's approach is a bad bet — it's a defense that relies, he said, on voters being "wholly ignorant of the facts."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-lays-big-bet-repeating-act-heart-impeachment-investigation-n1062131

 

Notice he's keeping clear of mentioning Russia.

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The issue isn't if the Bidens may be dirty. In fact, on the surface, 50k a month in the manner his son is being paid warrants an investigation to see if U.S. laws are broken. Absolutely passes the "sniff" test. 

But Trump and others are trying to shift the narrative to "...Dems are after me (Trump) for going after a dirty politician and his son" when the truth is "the Dems are going after me for going after a political rival in an upcoming election via asking a foreign power for help". 

Again, ad nauseum, we have procedures in place to investigate Biden. It makes the case against BIden look weak if the President and his personal lawyer has to elicit the help of foreign governments and members of the administration (Pompeo) lying about their role. 

The amazing thing is that Trump himself doesn't seem to realize that his phone call was illegal. It makes me conclude no one in the White House was stopping him. Probably out of fear. I hope he is not surrounding himself with 'Yes' men. That is the absolutely worse thing for any President. 

 

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Hopefully the US will get rid of this nutcase sooner or later. The same now applies to the UK. I watched the videos of Donald´s latest performances these days, this is incredible. Nothing but lies, bullshit and aggression.

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