JJsushi Posted November 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Says Old Hippie: I never got the answer there either... see any familiarity or "tactics" here? Yeah it could of been a diversionary tactic. Now if it was a diversion(sure as hell was successful), then those tears, outrage and feigned hurt is the best acting job I have ever seen (and I have seen plenty). maybe I need to get this chick back to the States so she can run for the next Governor of Kal-ia-fornia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsushi Posted November 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Says Old Hippie: "...I don't like arguing either but with some women it has to be done. Maybe it will change once I get married?..." NO! I thought marriage and ignorance were supposed to be "bliss" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Well jj look like you may get some gief from the guys on this one. But personally, I understand where you are coming from. Sometimes you really have to find if they have a button you can push. They sure manage to always find one of ours to push. Think you found one of hers. Makes the realtionship more even IMO, it's sort of like nuclear deterents, nobody really want to use them, but both sides know the other one has one . :hubba: Couple of point though......rightly or wrongly 'rent-a-cops' don't have the highest social ranking in LOS or anywhere else in the world for that matter. So easy to see her Thai viewpoint. Now to the one of the most misquoted, misused probverbs in the English language ........... no one ever said 'ignorance is bliss, it's another bad misleading misquote. For the original quote and and meaning I submit: Thomas Gray Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College ??Yet ah! why should they know their fate? Since sorrow never comes too late, And happiness too swiftly flies. Thought would destroy their paradise. No more; where ignorance is bliss, 'Tis folly to be wise.? English poet Gray wrote the poem in 1742 and ?unintentionally added a proverb to the language. It has been observed that Gray didn?t mean it is better to be ignorant than wise at all times, the popular usage given to his words, for he makes an important qualification by using the word where. From ?Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins? by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 >>>Can anyone shed light on this security guard equals dog analogy? I mean did I touch some Thai taboo concerning security guards? The guards are Issan but I don't think that has anything to do with it. I am thinking it was more of a status issue but why the hell would that come into play during an argument concerning fidelity/flirting/etc? Would it have been more important if I used the building manager instead of the security guard?<<< thai class system - you not just insulted her of being unfaithful, but called her a slut who would even sleep with a man way below her class, a guy from the gutter of society, someone who is just fit to serve the little princess, someone who is not much higher in status than a dog . yes, that was what could be considred "the ultimate" insult in her eyes. there you saw a very ugly side of thai society, a peek behind the smile. that is one of the main reasons i have stopped doing the partycircuit, stopped socialising with a particular class of people here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmine Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Hello, First IMO, (strong opinion), I don't think talking to old friends, ok ex-BF for 10 minutes is a big deal. If you asked my Hubby, I talked to old flames more than 10 min. at a time, even though some of them don't get 1 min. from me Security guard, I would be quite insulted myself but my reason may be different than hers. Her reason can be the Thai class, many women, especially Thais are offended by association with people who they perceive as "lower" class. I think that is why she call the guard the same as dog which I find it quite snobby of her. By the way, when a woman flirts, it does NOT mean that she wants to go to bed with that man, ok? It is not so easy. Flirting, to many people, is a form of communication, the trick is, IMO, both parties must know that it is just a way to communicate, that is all. Jasmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsushi Posted November 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Says LaoHuLi: Now to the one of the most misquoted, misused probverbs in the English language ........... no one ever said 'ignorance is bliss, it's another bad misleading misquote. For the original quote and and meaning I submit: Thomas Gray Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College ??Yet ah! why should they know their fate? Since sorrow never comes too late, And happiness too swiftly flies. Thought would destroy their paradise. No more; where ignorance is bliss, 'Tis folly to be wise.? English poet Gray wrote the poem in 1742 and ?unintentionally added a proverb to the language. It has been observed that Gray didn?t mean it is better to be ignorant than wise at all times, the popular usage given to his words, for he makes an important qualification by using the word where. From ?Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins? by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997). I learn something new everyday. I did not know the orgin and meaning of the proverb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsushi Posted November 18, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Says jasmine: Hello, First IMO, (strong opinion), I don't think talking to old friends, ok ex-BF for 10 minutes is a big deal. If you asked my Hubby, I talked to old flames more than 10 min. at a time, even though some of them don't get 1 min. from me The talking to the guy did not bother me in the least bit, like I said she properly introduced him to the group. I just wanted to pick a fight to gain "leverage" something that I learned from you women Unfortunately for me it blew up in my face and worked in her favor. Security guard, I would be quite insulted myself but my reason may be different than hers. Her reason can be the Thai class, many women, especially Thais are offended by association with people who they perceive as "lower" class. I think that is why she call the guard the same as dog which I find it quite snobby of her. I figured it was a class or status thing as you and some of the other posters mention. I am curious how it can be such a contrast given how polite she is with the guards when they do the odds and ends in the builing. I have seen these guys haul and assemble heavy peices of furniture that I wouldn't dream of bothering with to and from her condo without a grumble. She has never said a bad word to them and has even given them tips, refreshments and smiles for their hard work. The dog analogy really threw me for a loop and exposed a side of her I never saw before, sort of conflicts with my American values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 I don't know if your security guard remark has any particular meaning other than representing a person of low status, background and low on the hierarcial food chain. I think you could have said garbagemen or construction worker/field worker and she would have reacted the same (if she completely understands those occupations. Every thai person knows clearly what a security guard is; a servant's role and nothing else. It makes no difference how nice, what the character of the person is or how they elevated themselves through the ranks/solidified their position if that is the case but where/who they are in the pecking order. Discrimination and prejudices exists as much at the lower levels as it does at all Thai socio-econ levels. There is that social need to compare and be better than someone else as long as there are others below you. We see it in america as well but maybe not as widespread or blatant? I think this is the same thai thinking that occurs as to why is is completely inapproriate to bring girls or guys (even as friends) to events where she or he is not from the same socio-econ as the other event guests. While westerners really don't care whether one is poor or rich and their status, it makes all the difference in the world to thais. I listen with interest every time my female students answer the question (asked by other thais female students) what they want in a bf/husband, the first two expressions out of their mouth are white skin and rich. It doesn't matter whether my student is a white-skinned chinese girl from a middle class family or a dark-skinned isaan farming girl. They all have been told what they should dream/shoot for. Next time say a wealthy but corrupted thai family's name and you will be safe from an outburst. It actually might be a compliment since she values their place in the thai hierarchy more than the integrity or character of that person...... Cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickbuffalo Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 The answer I suspect that you are hoping to get is that it was all because he was a 'dark skinned' security guard. I doubt it. She reacted in the way she did because the questions you asked were insensitive and crude. Whether he was ¼Ùé´Õ or ªÒǺéÒ¹ would have made no difference. I don't agree that Thailand is an especially class based society - less so than Europe or the US, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
think_too_mut Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 > someone who is just fit to serve the little princess, someone who is not much higher in status than a dog . yes, that was what could be considred "the ultimate" insult in her eyes. Fly, is it what you realized after living there and learning Thai? I'm not saying you are in wrong. Just the fact that Thais are so discriminate with their own keen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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