Zorro Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 BB I am not sure why you framed your question the way you did. "But where do you draw the line between barkeeping and pimping ?" It seems you are deliberatley trying to provoke something here. You full well know that in running a beer bar you are involved with prostitution. Most guys go and drink in these bars with the expectation of barfining the girls. This is also the case in places like Spassos and Cm2 etc so If we further extrapolate your argument wherever sex is government controlled like most of Australia then the governments are pimps too. Most guys are adult enough here to make up their own minds about the pros and cons of the prostitution industry. They don't need someone to try and take the moral highground and more especially someone who is an ex sanuker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elef Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Hi, it's pimping to rent out apartments to prostitutes in Sweden, also for an editor to accept ads in a newpaper from prostitutes. A barowner is not a pimp in a general concept of the word (outside Sweden of course) as he doesn't make money from the sexual act. Barfining a girl in a restaurant or a shop is the same as in a bar. As Torrenova pointed out the barfine is compensation for the absence of a girl who attracts customers and sells beers and has a salary for that. If the barowner had percentage of what the girl gets from the customer he would be a pimp but he hasn't. elef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitagawn Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Its not about judgment -morality-right or wrong-or money.Its simply about calling a spade a spade. Its a business,involving booze and the p4p based at a bar--so call it such.No big deal- :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitagawn Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 "You hire someone for cooking, another for fucking, what's the difference?" One has to love the simplicity and logic of that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Hoy Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 elef said: As Torrenova pointed out the barfine is compensation for the absence of a girl who attracts customers and sells beers and has a salary for that. If the barowner had percentage of what the girl gets from the customer he would be a pimp but he hasn't. elef But what about those asshole owners and mamsans who push for a barfine 5 minutes before closing and girls saying they'll meet you 50 meters down the soi after closing...or, in the case of at least one bar, charging a dancer the equivalent of a barfine if she doesn't show up at her room within a certain period of time after closing? I can remember in the '80's at Soi Cowboy, bars wouldn't charge a barfine after midnight (bars there generally closed at 0100 in those days). Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsushi Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Amazing how many guys are fooling themselves on what constitues a pimp. A barowner that takes a barfine for a girl to leave the bar to go with a customer is a PIMP. A barowner that has a monthly quota on barfines to recoup his salary costs for girls is a PIMP. A barowner that makes his income from women who prostitute on his premises is a PIMP. Very easy to avoid the pure pimp label, don't institute barfines or knowingly allow girls to prostitute on premises. Now as to the morality of the issue I can care less, after all I am a punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiLuk Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Pimp has connotations. The punter using the pimp label is implying that he himself is somehow (morally) superior to the *pimp* bar owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibblies Posted February 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 And pimps have to wear certain types of clothes, like Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shygye Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 Where's the pink caddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun_Kong Posted February 27, 2005 Report Share Posted February 27, 2005 MaiLuk said:Pimp has connotations. The punter using the pimp label is implying that he himself is somehow (morally) superior to the *pimp* bar owner. In all fairness, JJ said that he doesn't care about the morality aspect (think that's what he meant, even though he said he COULD care less ) shygye said: Where's the pink caddy? Sorry, that's only for Mary Kay cosmetics sales reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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