Stickmans HIV article

[sinsin2]

Would someone please direct me to the web site that proves(not assumes) that HIV causes AIDS.

[tomc12]

Sinsin,

Check out these sites: http://www.aegis.com/pubs/beta/2000/be000403.html and http://www.niaid.gov/publications/hivaids/12.html

[ November 10, 2001: Message edited by: tomc12 ]

[sinsin2]

tomc12

Thanks.

The German scientist Robert Koch (1843-1910) established four requirements, or postulates, that must be demonstrated to prove that a specific microorganism causes a particular disease:

Prior to this 1997 report, fulfillment of ch's third and fourth postulates was lacking

This is one of the points,I am trying to clarify.(note the date ...1997)

It amazes me how naive and unquestioning many people are.

PS please post some similar urls.

[ November 10, 2001: Message edited by: sinsin ]

[Guest]

Only the third postulate is particularly tough; since extracting HIV from one homo sapiens and introducing it into another is a tough sell, you've got to figure out how to run the experiment. Getting a human-specific disease to grow in a non-human primate ain't a given.

But in the section "Conclusive Data from Reputable Scientific Research" paragraph 3, "The evidence satisfying these postulates was established in 1997, ... inoculated with HIV ten years earlier"

 

Obviously this experiment was conceived right after 1984-5 and begun in 1987. Just because it takes a decade to prove something doesn't make it wrong or even suspicious.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by sinsin:

Would someone please direct me to the web site that proves(not assumes) that HIV causes AIDS.

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I'll introduce you to a girl that is HIV positive and now has AIDS, why don't you do your own research and sleep with her (condomless) and then let me know in 4-5 years if it does or not.

[Guest]

The misinformation you blokes have got is really amazing. The best studies that have been done have estimated male to female risk at 1 in 1000 unprotected sex acts, and the female to male risk at 1 in 8000. This is only logical, because women have a huge orifice to catch the virus, and men just have a tiny hole in their penis head.

So you would expect that there would be eight times more women with AIDS than men. But no, the figures are about 90 percent male in the Western world. And 80 percent male in Thailand.

These estimates that you have a 1 in 20 chance of catching HIV from a girl in Thailand are obvious horseshit. What you probably have is an AIDS establishment that is profiting by scaring the daylights out of people.

The only sex act that has a real good chance of transmitting HIV is receptive anal intercourse. Makes it easy for the virus to get in the blood.

As for the HIV+ men you know who say they got it from a woman, it's more likely what they have is a false positive test. The tests used in Thailand are much less rigorous than the tests in the west and very subject to false positives that can be caused by any of over 60 different conditions including drug use (like there are no Thai BGs who take yaba?)

As for ancecdotes about the houses where bar girls died in Issan, if you check the figures you'll find that Issan has the lowest AIDS rate of any region of the country.

And all these straight men who die of AIDS are probably dying from the extremely toxic chemotherapy medicines they give to treat the HIV, or from the psychological trauma of the diagnosis. Psychological stress has been shown to dramatically reduce T-cell levels and leave a person much more vulnerable to infection and disease. And a HIV + diagnosis has got to be the most stressful thing imaginable. It literally shatters a person's life.

Obviously, something is terribly wrong with the prevailing wisdom.

[ November 13, 2001: Message edited by: Beelzybubb ]

[Guest]

Talking Truth on AIDS Data

by Richard Johnson with Paula Froelich and Chris Wilson

(from the November 4, 2001 issue of the New York Post)

Celia Farber, among the few who challenged the many myths about AIDS in

a

series of columns for Spin magazine is crowing now that Rolling Stone

has

seen the light. The article "AIDS in Africa: In Search of the Truth" by

famed South African writer Rian Malan charges that researchers

regularly

inflate statistics about the lethal disease.

Malan, the author of "My Traitor's Heart," spent a year looking for

proof of

the soaring death rates cited by AIDS organizations in South Africa.

Frustrated by conflicting data, Malan even studied coffin sales in

Johannesburg, trying to find evidence of the supposed pandemic.

Instead, he

ends up debunking exaggerated numbers put forth by groups like the

Swiss-based UNAIDS (the Joint United Nations Program on HIV/AIDS).

"As he gripped each thread of questioning, expecting AIDS orthodoxy to

resolve his growing anxiety with solid answers, he only ran into more

questions," Farber told us. "He wound upcommendablywith an entirely

different story than the one he pitched to Rolling Stone. Suffice to

say,

AIDS professionals will be aghast," Farber declares, "unless, of course

they've decided to take their cash and ribbons and helicopter off to

their

chalets where they can hope to live out their days in anonymity."

Malan's findings debunk myths the scientific community has been

spreading

for 20 years. "The mind boggles at the bizarre notions that have held

sway

for decades," Farber said, "the Pulitzer Prizes that have been awarded

for

unadulterated hogwash."

Farber also notes, "In other media breakthroughs, the AIDS magazine POZ

ran

a cover story this month, that, for them, was very brave. It

demonstrates, I

think, the long-known fact that HIV antibodies have never traveled from

women to men. It is simply a dead end. This ties nicely into Malan's

quest

for truth about AIDS in Africa. How is it, one might ask, that African

people manage to spread this HIV so rampantly in ways that people in

New

York haven't managed in 20 years?"

A Rolling Stone spokeswoman said the Jann Wenner music mag, usually a

repository of politically correct thought, was proud of the provocative

AIDS

piece. "Rian Malan is fantastic, and he spent a year in Africa

researching

this." she said. "It might raise questions, but I think there are

unanswered

questions and things that don't add up.