Gay Marriage Could Soon Be Legalized In California

[Faustian]

I'm liberal and don't agree with those 'points...argument lost HH. If you really think this is Americas fate under Obama, you've lost your mind....and bought into the right wing propaganda...oh and you are knowingly lying.

 

I'd point out that Bush has increased 'government' size and there are more controls of peoples lives, than before he was in power, but then you'd just say he hasn't and I'm wrong.

[Hugh_Hoy]

I'm liberal and don't agree with those 'points...argument lost HH. If you really think this is Americas fate under Obama, you've lost your mind....and bought into the right wing propaganda...oh and you are knowingly lying.

 

Well, maybe you aren't the liberal you think you are, because those points I listed are very succintly stated on a number of websites openly declaring their liberal/socialist beliefs. Or maybe the term "liberal" in the U.S. is different than that in the U.K.?

 

oh...in response to you calling me a "liar", I might exagerrate occasionally, but if there was a FUCK YOU icon available here, it would be used here. So, in the absence of such an emoticon, I'll just say "Fuck You". Got it?

 

HH

 

[bust]

Not caring much about US politics now we have a free thinking leader here and not a Bush lackie.....isn't Obama what you guys need right now considering the world's general view and opinion of the US

[rogueyam]

...isn't Obama what you guys need right now considering the world's general view and opinion of the US

 

Typical leftist bullshit predicated on the following assumptions:

 

1) "The world" has a single, knowable "general view and opinion of the US".

 

2) That general view and opinion is negative.

 

3) The US should care about this negative opinion.

 

4) There are steps that it would benefit the US to take that would raise the world's opinion.

 

All of these assumptions are wrong and just plain bullshit. None of the smug, arrogant leftists who posit this crap even attempt to justify any of it.

 

[Hugh_Hoy]

isn't Obama what you guys need right now considering the world's general view and opinion of the US

 

Khun Bust...actually Obama, IMO, is NOT what we in the U.S. need right now. There are a lot of dynamics at play domestically and internationally that are too important to the U.S. to trust to an unknown who has simply promised young or naieve people wanting "Change". I think the great majority of folks in the U.S. would like to see some changes (myself included). But Obama, aside from what we don't know, has provided me with enough to know I don't want him and I think we could do better...much better. If the other countries/people want him, they're welcome to him

 

HH

[bust]

America's image has plunged, the Iraq war was a mistake and Obama would make a better president than anyone the Republicans can offer.

 

No, that's not a campaign line, but the results of a international poll.

 

This election has sparked huge foreign interest, several of the world's leading newspapers asked people in 10 countries how they feel about the United States. The results were startling:

 

A majority of those polled in seven nations - including such close U.S. allies as Canada and Australia - say their opinion of the United States has worsened in the past few years. America "has thrown away the huge wealth of sympathy" it gained after the Sept. 11 attacks.

 

With the exception of Israelis, more than half of those polled said the United States was wrong to invade Iraq. "The U.S. should realize the limits of a policy relying on force," said Japan's Asahi Shimbun.

 

Again with the exception of Israel, more than half of those surveyed had an unfavorable view of the U.S. president. "Poll reveals world anger at Bush," headlined London's Guardian.

 

Among the most surprising results: A majority of British and South Koreans don't think American democracy remains a model for other countries. The Abu Ghraib prison scandal, the open-ended detentions at Guantanamo Bay, the erosion of civil liberties - all have contributed to a sense that America's democratic values have have been compromised during the war on terror.

 

Surprising, too, is South Korean hostility toward the United States, whose aid and protection helped make South Korea one of the world's richest nations. Many Koreans feel America has become an impediment to reunification of north and south, and there is even fear of a pre-emptive strike against North Korea.

 

 

[Bangkoktraveler]

rogueyam continues to label me a leftist and a communist. Just because I don't agree with him on certain points, he reacts to name calling.

 

 

Tell me rogueyam,

I believe in guns, do you?

I believe in BMG guns, do you?

I believe a person has the right to defend themselves, do you?

 

rogueyam, you never answer these questions. Is it because you know deep down in your heart I am not a leftist, even though I am left handed?

 

And you use the term leftist, each and every time you get cornered. Why?

 

 

[rogueyam]

Surprising, too, is South Korean hostility toward the United States, whose aid and protection helped make South Korea one of the world's richest nations. Many Koreans feel America has become an impediment to reunification of north and south, and there is even fear of a pre-emptive strike against North Korea.

 

There is nothing surprising about the chauvanism, ingratitude, and irrationality of the younger generation of Koreans. It is very damning of their wisdom and character, to be sure, but not at all surprising.

[Flashermac]

The US should have withdrawn most forces from S Korea long ago. Enough could have been kept as a "tripwire" against an unlikely attack by the Kim family.

 

It's a bit hard to expect to see "gratitude" from the grandchildren of the Koreans defended by US and UN forces in 1950-53 extended to the soldier grandchildren of the GIs who did so back then. Just human nature. (e.g. Look at the French.)

 

 

p.s. If it is all right for consenting homosexual adults to marry, then why can't consenting adults engage in polygamous marriages? It would be their choice.

 

 

 

[Bangkoktraveler]

[color:red]"p.s. If it is all right for consenting homosexual adults to marry, then why can't consenting adults engage in polygamous marriages? It would be their choice."[/color]

 

USA is a 'god-fearing" country. Rooted on the foundations of the Bible, it would see polygamy should be acceptable. I base this on the fact that pologamy was acceptable for over half of the people mention in the Bible.