Russia and China join to condemn U.S. missile shield

[chuckwoww]

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no because it doesn't work lol

 

But it's still in the early stages. Those bad guys are worried about the new improved version.

 

[TheCorinthian]

This reminds me of the Wright Bros going to the patent office in 1905.

 

"We want to patent this thing that flies."

 

"You can't."

 

"Why?"

 

"It will not work. It does not work."

[rogueyam]

no because it doesn't work lol

 

Nothing works. See the thread on yesterday's Mars landing for confirmation.

[Guest lazyphil]

the whiners either say space exploration/moon landings etc is a waste of money and could be used to feed the starving... or it, the moon landing for example, was staged in the nevada desert or some such mumbo jumbo. they cant make up their minds what to say!

[TheCorinthian]

the whiners either say space exploration/moon landings etc is a waste of money and could be used to feed the starving... or it, the moon landing for example, was staged in the nevada desert or some such mumbo jumbo. they cant make up their minds what to say!

 

 

That is because being wrong and convincing your self you are right is very hard to do.

[Faustian]

Well I'm all for space exploration, have loved astronomy since a young child....not sure I'm a big fan of defense spending, but I don't know why China and Russia have gotten their collective knickers in a twist over this..it really is nothing to do with them.

[rchapstick]

More pearls of wisdom from RY aka Gen. "Buck" Turgidson . Still workin' on that mineshaft gap Bucko?

[chelseafan]

International Herald Tribune

May 25, 2008

 

President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia and President Hu Jintao of China met Friday to conclude a deal on nuclear cooperation and together condemn U.S. proposals for a missile shield in Europe. Both countries called the U.S. plan a setback to international trust that was likely to upset the balance of power.

 

Medvedev's choice of China for an early diplomatic foray as president seemed to signal a desire to continue Moscow's assertive foreign policy - particularly toward the United States - that was a hallmark of his predecessor, Vladimir Putin, during his eight years in office.

 

Medvedev was inaugurated as Russia's president this month, but Putin retained significant powers as prime minister.

 

The announcements came as the neighbors, who challenged the United States - and each other - during the Cold War, grapple with newer tensions over an array of military and economic issues, including their rivalry over the energy resources of Central Asia.

 

Medvedev arrived in China after a visit to Kazakhstan, which is seen as an important part of Moscow's regional energy ambitions.

 

His visit here is the first by a state leader since the earthquake May 12 that has resulted in the deaths of nearly 56,000 people in southwest China, the nation's greatest natural disaster in more than three decades. Russia is among the handful of countries to have sent both aid supplies and rescue teams.

 

In recent months, both countries have condemned U.S. plans for a missile shield. Russia in particular has sought allies to act as a bulwark against U.S. efforts at global hegemony.

 

In a statement signed by Medvedev and Hu, the leaders took issue once more with plans for a missile defense system "in certain regions of the world," saying such measures "do not support strategic balance and stability, and harm international efforts to control arms and the nonproliferation process."

 

"It harms the strengthening of trust between states and regional stability," the statement said.

 

The White House's reaction to the statement was muted. A spokesman for the National Security Council, Gordon Johndroe, noted that on Thursday, Medvedev made remarks indicating that he remained open to negotiations. A new round of talks involving U.S. and Russian technical experts is expected to begin next month.

 

"We're having discussions with the Russians in good faith about the sites in the Czech Republic and Poland," Johndroe said. "So we'll see."

 

The Russian-Chinese statement did not specifically identify the United States, which has angered Russia with plans to deploy elements of a missile defense system in the Czech Republic and Poland. Washington says the shield is to protect against potential attacks by rogue states like Iran and North Korea.

 

For their part, Moscow and Beijing have not always supported Washington's efforts to characterize Iran as a sponsor of terrorism and a potential nuclear threat, particularly to Israel. Iran says its nuclear development program is for peaceful, civilian purposes.

 

The joint statement also took issue with the United States' attitude toward the promotion of human rights, insisting that "every state has a right to encourage and protect them based on its own specific features and characters."

 

The statement reflected an argument among Washington's critics that the United States uses the human rights issue as a means of exerting pressure. It said governments should "oppose politicizing the issue and using double standards" and should not use "human rights to interfere with other countries' affairs."

 

In late March, as China was coming under growing international criticism for a harsh crackdown on pro-Tibetan protests, President George W. Bush called Hu to urge restraint and to advise the Chinese government to meet with the Dalai Lama's representatives, according to the White House. He also asked Hu to allow diplomats and foreign journalists into Tibetan areas.

 

As a signal of the warming ties between China and Russia, the two countries signed a $1 billion agreement for Russia to build a nuclear fuel enrichment plant in China and supply uranium. Sergei Kiriyenko, the director of Rosatom, Russia's state nuclear corporation, described the deal as "a good addition to our presence in China."

 

Xinhua, the Chinese state news agency, reported Friday that trade between the countries rose to $48.17 billion last year from $10.67 billion in 2000.

 

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Strange that Russia has enough allies to win the Eurovision Song Contest, but cant bolster enough support to thwart the Shield project.....good to know where peoples's loyalties lie...

 

 

[chelseafan]

Well I'm all for space exploration, have loved astronomy since a young child....not sure I'm a big fan of defense spending, but I don't know why China and Russia have gotten their collective knickers in a twist over this..it really is nothing to do with them.

 

Ok, let me go and get a few nuclear warheads, a dozen tanks and park them in front of your house whilst pointing at your bedroom....

 

 

[chelseafan]

rogueysm' date=' are you telling me it is 'normal' for a person to defend themselves against peaceful neighbors in case they do something wrong? [/quote']

 

 

Isn't that why 50% or more of households have some sort of fence or alarm? Just in case the neighbors, or anyone else, goes crazy?

 

But we are speaking of nation states here, and nations go from peaceful to all out war at the drop of a hat. Especially if they at all think they can get away with it. So the term "peaceful neighbors" is lacking in historical or global perspective.

 

Quite right old chap. Nothing diverts the publics attention from their mundane, tax-burdened lives like a war.

 

I always remember the quote from the cold war days.

 

"The only difference between a nuclear war and a unclear war is the way you use the UN"