Guest lazyphil Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4675462.stm Worrysome?.....on the hit/hate list for a bombing in Copenhagen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Denmark is not in trouble. Muslims need to stop demanding respect for their religion that they will not give to the religious beliefs of others. You can go to jail just for being caught owning a Bible in Saudi Arabia ... and Jews of any nationality are not even allowed to set foot into that country. _____________________________________________________ One man's cartoon is another's crime February 3, 2006 PARIS (Reuters) - One man's cartoon can be another man's crime. The row over Danish caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad, which has sparked protests and boycott calls throughout the Middle East, has turned into a verbal clash of civilisations pitting Western freedom of speech against Muslim taboos. The more that Muslim countries protest, withdraw ambassadors and boycott Danish goods over what they consider blasphemy, the more some Europeans -- especially journalists -- reprint the cartoons and insist they are free to ridicule any authority. Like many conflicts over faith, the row has both religious and political aspects. The Muslim reaction is based on Islam's ban on portraying the Prophet and reinforced by outrage that he is presented as a terrorist with a bomb in his turban. "This is defamation ... and disinformation," French Muslim Council head Dalil Boubakeur said. "The prophet of Islam did not found a terrorist religion, quite to the contrary." The dispute, which has parallels to the 1989 Iranian death sentence on writer Salman Rushdie, arises from the fact that Muslims still consider blasphemy -- or insulting the sacred -- as a crime while Westerners no longer take it seriously. Jesus Christ has been mocked so often in Western media and art that it hardly causes outrage any more and courts usually reject legal suits against the satire. Because of the horror of the Holocaust, Western media are much more cautious about Jews. Many European countries still have blasphemy on the books, but do not apply it. The last conviction in Britain was in 1922 for a man who compared Jesus to a circus clown. By contrast, insulting the Prophet Mohammad can bring a death sentence in a Muslim country like Pakistan. Many Arab countries threaten blasphemers with prison sentences. These two views used to be separated geographically, but migration has led to a community of about 15 million Muslims in Europe, making Islam the second-largest religion in most countries. Many Muslim issues have thus become European issues. Globalisation has also given Muslim countries an economic leverage they did not have before, allowing them to organise boycotts of Danish or other goods on sale in their markets. "Today's modernity allows (Muslims) to express their profound disapproval of this profanatory and defamatory attack on their religion," Boubakeur said. Apart from the diplomatic and trade strains it causes, the cartoon row goes straight to the issue of how free multicultural societies can be without offending some of their people. It also raises the question of whether and how far European countries should change to accommodate their new minorities. Prime Minister Tony Blair suffered a rare defeat in parliament on Tuesday when deputies refused to back his planned law banning religious hate speech, a bill British Muslims backed strongly but many artists opposed as potential censorship. Rising tensions over religion in Europe have led to unexpected twists. For example, practising Christians -- now only a fraction of most secularised European societies -- have begun to act like minorities demanding their rights. Cardinal Philippe Barbarin, Catholic archbishop of Lyon, echoed this when he welcomed the Muslim protests and hoped they would lead to more respect for all religions. Joseph Sitruk, Grand Rabbi of French Judaism, also supported the Muslims. The fact that most Muslim countries do not allow freedom of the press has prompted aggressive, sometimes abusive, reactions from Europeans who see Muslims trying to curtail rights derived from the Enlightenment and centuries of political development. "We'd take Muslim protests more seriously if they weren't so hypocritical," Berlin's Die Welt wrote as it published a Danish cartoon. "The imams were quiet when Syrian television showed Jewish rabbis as cannibals in a prime-time series." Defending its decision to print the Danish cartoons, France Soir wrote that the 1789 French Revolution separated church and state, not to give any religion a right to impose its views. Among the calmer views expressed, some commentators said the Danish cartoons might not be the best example of what should be defended in the name of press freedom. "In terms of free speech, there are questions which are much more important than this," Stockholm's Dagens Nyheter wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummigut Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Screw this! Celebrity Death Match. Da Mo Mo Mohammaed Versus De Jesusee Then we should get a celebrity judge. I'm thinking Buddha baby!!! I'll see that at Muang Thong Thani!!! <<burp>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli13 Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 gummi, cheers to that at 'gullibles' tonight in danish carlsberg if only it was still available here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 i wont express my true feelings here in case my ip gets traced by al quieda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Munchmaster Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Danish products (mainly dairy) removed from shops throughout the Gulf. Teddy couldn't even get his Danish pastry the other morning! :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Remember when Captain Hook was just a fictional pirate? p.s. Go to the Drudge Report and you'll find a link to the cartoons. Not at all what I expected ... and much milder than the anti-Zionist cartoons you see in Arab newspapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul101 Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Well I'm gonna start buying lurpak, sadly dannish bacon is out though not because it might offend some people, I just don't eat the muck. No paper in UK has had the balls to reprint the cartoons even though they all bleat about their right to. Looking at all the cartoons it's hard to imagine how anyone could wet their pants over them, especially when many of the protesters see no offense in regular burnings of flags, and dummies of western leaders and whose own papers publish caricatures of other religions on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul101 Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 "This is defamation ... and disinformation," French Muslim Council head Dalil Boubakeur said. "The prophet of Islam did not found a terrorist religion, quite to the contrary." . Who did then, maybe god did it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgianBoy Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Some Belgian, French and Italian newspapers printed the cartoons today out of solidarity. I would say fuck the muslims and their intolerance, what goes around comes around. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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