Weird Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I wouldn't be able to drink in Thailand anymore.... oh well... if they followed through on raising the BG age to 25... I'd benefit quite well from that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_66_UK Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I feel PROHIBITION coming on :: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAT_AUSSIE Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Like I could really see the lady across the road from my house up country Uttaradit who makes Whiskey tien out the back asking for ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Hoy Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Khun_Kong said:I believe people have a right to treat their own bodies in practically any way they wish. I would agree with you on that, except for the minor point that, in most cases, I and others end up paying for their rehab, hospital bills from accidents, child support (welfare), ambulance drivers, etc. So I don't agree Now to the original post: Looks like a lot of former BG's could stage a comback with competition a lot easier. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglesoup Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Hugh_Hoy said: Khun_Kong said:I believe people have a right to treat their own bodies in practically any way they wish. I would agree with you on that, except for the minor point that, in most cases, I and others end up paying for their rehab, hospital bills from accidents, child support (welfare), ambulance drivers, etc. So I don't agree Now to the original post: Looks like a lot of former BG's could stage a comback with competition a lot easier. HH I guess thats what happens when you live in a partly socialist state. Then you could say, I don t think people should eat should certain foods foods because it causes diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure etc. I think ultimately the people who drink more pay for it HH, because the taxes raised from alcohol sales is so high that it more than balances out the cost. So infact people are paying for their own self-destruction so I see it as fair enough. Its still apersons basic freedom to do what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 <<Its still apersons basic freedom to do what they want. >> True. It could be said however citizens have the right to enter a town centre without large groups of drunks running around causing havoc, pissing everywhere (yep girls do piss standing up!!!), yelling abuse at everyone and wanting to fight anyone town centres can become no go zones by 10;30 when only a few hours ago it was peaceful and tranquil, not much fun for a pair of OAP's going for a night out to the theatre to be surrounding by aggressive, drunk persons. Playing devils advocate here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglesoup Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 lazyphil said:<<Its still apersons basic freedom to do what they want. >> True. It could be said however citizens have the right to enter a town centre without large groups of drunks running around causing havoc, pissing everywhere (yep girls do piss standing up!!!), yelling abuse at everyone and wanting to fight anyone town centres can become no go zones by 10;30 when only a few hours ago it was peaceful and tranquil, not much fun for a pair of OAP's going for a night out to the theatre to be surrounding by aggressive, drunk persons. Playing devils advocate here. I totally agree with that also LP. I just think its one of those situations where if alcohol is available then they will have the freedom to do what they want. Not saying that its within the law, but at apersonal level, we have been given the freedom to do what we want. I mean it on a deeper level than what the societal law states. It would be against the law for me to murder someone, but that doen t take away my freedom to kill someone if I wanted. (Dont worry I m not planning any killing sprees soon) I just think that sometimes you can t have one thing without the other. The freedom people have may mean there will be the people who abuse it to the detriment of others, but the same freedom can lead to inspirational discoveries and inventions also. So I think with alcohol, if its there people will abuse it and people won t. Even if it is banned, I mean I was drinking since 13 because I could get other people to get it. I think putting the age up to 25 will bring its own problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 There is also a serious practical problem with these type of laws and regulations in a country like Thailand. Corruption is rampant here and institutions are weak. Laws like this in a country like Thailand don't reduce drinking, but rather increase opportunities for authorities to extort bribes to look the other way. These type of laws will be selectively enforced for show or to advance the interests of an influential person (ithiphon muet) - perhaps to eliminate competition - but they won't be enforced in an evenhanded fashion. This is why laws that aim to prohibit consensual behavior or seek to prohibit some activity everyone does on a routine basis are particularly bad in places like Thailand. They fuel corruption while distracting attention from policies that might actually be effective. Here, for example they should have tax policies, like they use in developed countries, that create incentives for those who drink to substitute beer and wine for high octane rot-gut. In Thailand, the tax incentives work in exactly the opposite direction: they create financial incentives to select high octance rot gut over beer and wine. Hence, Thailand's serious drinking problem. But, because the financial empire of one of Thailand's wealthiest players is built on rot gut and keeping foreign competition out, you won't hear much discussion about sensible policies. Instead, you see populist posturing and misdirection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 No reason to expect enforcement of 25 to be any different than the current enforcement of 20. The 20 year old thing is taken very seriously. Places of any size control entrances, check every thai id, there are crackdowns, and consequences are quite serious. I find it rather appalling that one could graduate from college, be several years into their career, start a family, but be barred from so much as a glass of wine with their romantic dinner or a drink at any special occasion/celebration. Some soapies have a mandatory retirement at 25 so they might have some serious aging in the fish bowls. And I don't fancy an increasingly aging group of dancers at gogo's. If this thing passes, you just gotta wonder how close the country will be to thinking about prohibition. After all, the moral crusaders have all the power and already tell us when we can have alcohol (not 2-5pm) and what web sites we can look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 No reason to expect enforcement of 25 to be any different than the current enforcement of 20. Try this little experiment to see if your claim is true: Go to a NEP go go. Find a go go girl under 20 (say, 19) who likes to drink. Order her a drink. See if she has any problems getting that drink. She won't. A 19 year old BG has no problem getting a drink in a go go bar if she wants one. In others, we have a clear example of someone under 20 easily getting a drink in a bar in Thailand. And that is all the evidence you need to show that your claims about enforcement of current law is wrong. The law is enforced selectively. And this evidence is readily available to anyone who visits the namesake of this website. Ever notice the common vats most bars have. There is one with rot gut and one without. You'll see plenty of BGs under 20 drinking from rot gut vat. There is already rampant under age drinking in Thailand with a 20 year minimum. If the minimum is increased to 25, there will will be more of it. Prostitution is also illegal in Thailand, and we all know that never happens here. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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