Those nasty Brits again

[Flashermac]

Muslim chief slams 'police state' Britain, like Nazi Germany

 

2 Feb 2007

 

 

A Muslim leader has warned that Britain is moving towards a "police state," comparing the situation to Nazi Germany after the anti-terror raids in the city of Birmingham this week.

 

But Mohammad Naseem, chairman of Birmingham's Central Mosque, urged Muslims to show restraint following the raids, in which nine suspects were arrested over allegations of plotting an "Iraq-style" kidnapping and filmed beheading.

 

"The country is moving toward a police state. That's not right. We have to change this," he said inside the mosque, where some 2,000 Muslims gathered for weekly Friday prayers.

 

"We can change this for the better by coming together, not by coming apart. Remain calm, don't get angry. Anger is a natural emotion, but Muslims should control it. We must never give way to anger," he said.

 

Speaking outside the mosque shortly before the prayer session began, he compared the current situation, and anti-terrorism legislation introduced in Britain in recent years, to Nazi Germany.

 

"The German people were told the Jews were a threat. The same thing is happening here. The Muslims are now the bogey people," he said. "It's a small community. It's easy to pick on them. That's what's being done."

 

Tempers are high after the raids, which were accompanied by allegations that the suspects were planning to kidnap and behead a British Muslim soldier, and post a video of the execution on the Internet.

 

Police were on Thursday given more time to question the nine suspects, all of them said by neighbours to be Britons of Pakistani origin, and mostly family men with children.

 

[junglesoup]

While I dont want raids on innocent Muslims I have to say at the same time, there have been raids on Muslims houses where the polie found in 2 cases that these Muslim guys were planning attacks...its a fine line between getting the true instigators and innocent people.

However if I had to choose I know what I wold choose. I think it wise that the police act on their intelligence or else we could have another bombing raid.

Its the choice between thwarting a planned bombing spree which could kill 50-100 people plus or a few mUslims losing face...

[Fidel]

He has a point. They never cracked down that hard on the Irish community when the IRA's mainland terror campaign was in full swing, though they did intern hundreds of people in Ireland without charge and without trial.

 

Internment backfired leading to a surge in IRA recruitment.

 

To continue the Star Wars theme... Islamic terrorism is something of a "Phantom Menace".

 

Let's see what kind of evidence the police can dig up to prove their latest, somewhat outlandish terror plot. They've already released just about everyone involved in the "liquid explosives" plot.

[spirit_of_town_hall]

The police did crack down on the Irish, going in and out of the airports was a real hassle for law abiding Irish folk..

 

In fact talking to a Irish man last week he was commenting that the Irish didnt really moan when the community was targeted..

 

Living in Britain now, one would be forgiven for thinking muslims make up 80% of the population..

 

Its simple really if life is so so bad for them here they can leave and move to a muslim state. On second thoughts there is no Incapicity, Housing Benefit or free healthcare in those countries..

 

STH

[Old Hippie]

The USAgets this shit all the time...you start to ignore it after awhile.

[Lord Toad]

This piece may answer the questions asked....that is if you really want to know what is going on! Whether the guys arrested are guilty or not, there is one hell of a potential problem. And dare I say it the problem is home grown Muslims mainly of Pakistani descendants.

 

Security forces 'foil terror plot every six weeks'

 

By Sean Rayment, Security Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph

 

Twice as many Islamist terror plots have been disrupted since the July 7 suicide bombings as has previously been made public, Britain's security services insist.

A further six plots, which have been kept secret until now for security reasons, had been planned by groups across Britain since the London Underground and bus bombings in 2005.

Whitehall sources refused to provide precise details on security grounds.

The revelation demonstrates the scale of the task facing MI5 and the police, who are now discovering or disrupting some kind of terrorist plot in the United Kingdom every six weeks. Up to 12 plots of all kinds have been discovered in the past year and a half.

Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, the director-general of MI5, revealed last November that there were an estimated 1,600 suspected terrorist involved in at least 200 networks in Britain.

It is understood that details of the previously undisclosed plots have been kept secret because no arrests were made and many of those involved assumed that their plans had "ground to a halt" for "natural reasons", such as a failure to acquire specific material. A Whitehall source said: "It has always been the case that much of MI5's work is never made public and this is an example of that."

Details of the plots emerged just days after MI5 and anti-terrorist detectives from the West Midlands Police foiled an alleged plan to kidnap a British soldier.

Nine suspects were arrested in the Birmingham area after a joint operation involving police and MI5 officers that brought a six-month investigation to its climax. Some of those arrested are alleged to have been planning to abduct and behead a young British Muslim soldier recently returned from Afghanistan. It is also alleged that his would-be murderers planned to post a video recording of his death on the internet.

Police said 18 addresses had been raided during Operation Gamble, the investigation into the alleged abduction plot, and that a "significant quantity" of exhibits had been taken away for examination.

Detectives are continuing to question the nine men arrested. Eight of the suspects were picked up in a series of dawn raids on Wednesday; the ninth was stopped on a motorway in the city several hours later. The nine suspects, eight British men of Pakistani descent and one Pakistani, have been detained on suspicion of the commission, instigation or preparation of acts of terrorism.

Officials investigating the alleged abduction have criticised some media coverage of the case, which claimed that a number of soldiers had volunteered to act as "tethered goats" in an effort to expose the alleged Islamist plotters and that there were "25 Muslim soldiers" on a terrorist hit list. Both claims have been dismissed by security sources.

The alleged abduction presents the Ministry of Defence with a series of problems on what personal security advice should be issued to the 350 Muslim servicemen and women in the Armed Forces. During the conflict in Northern Ireland all military personnel were warned of the potential dangers when off-duty. Troops were told to check private vehicles for booby traps, to vary their routes to and from work and, in some cases, not to wear uniform outside military establishments.

The Ministry of Defence has refused to comment on whether such measures would be revived following the latest developments.

It has also emerged that as many as four of those in custody are believed to have recently returned from a trip to Pakistan, giving rise to the belief that the plot may have been ordered by al-Qaeda, the terrorist network headed by Osama bin Laden.

Pakistani officials have given warning that with up to 400,000 Britons travelling to their country every year, the majority of those to visit family and friends, the monitoring of every terrorist suspect is impossible. British-born terrorist recruits, using valid passports, can easily pass through security checkpoints when they enter Pakistan. Because most travellers have family links, few are questioned.

Once inside the country they are free to travel to the belt of territory along the border with Afghanistan, where hardline Muslim clerics preach the need for jihad against the West at some of the more radical madrassas, or Islamic schools. They also find it straightforward to attend one of the al-Qaeda terrorist training camps known to operate in the region.

 

 

[Flashermac]

I have a friend whose father is retired from MI5. The son never even knew it until his father told him one day after he was already retired. Damned good secrecy!

 

 

[Fidel]

Hi Lord Toad,

 

Eh... no evidence, "alleged" this, "would be" that. This just strengthens my point.

[Lord Toad]

I do not see how you get to that. This is pretty definative:

 

The revelation demonstrates the scale of the task facing MI5 and the police, who are now discovering or disrupting some kind of terrorist plot in the United Kingdom every six weeks. Up to 12 plots of all kinds have been discovered in the past year and a half.

Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, the director-general of MI5, revealed last November that there were an estimated 1,600 suspected terrorist involved in at least 200 networks in Britain.

 

Estimated 1,600 terrorists: even if 50% wrong and it could be the other way, that makes 800. That is a scary figure.

[Fidel]

Personally, Toad, I'd prefer to wait and see some evidence.

 

"....now discovering or disrupting some kind of terrorist plot every six weeks", seems pretty weak to me.

 

You're taking these MI5 spooks at their word.

 

They have to appear to be doing something to justify their massive increase in funding.