Faustian Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Which is an opinion and as pointed out by the quote, by 2 amateurs. They've effectively ruled themselves out. Thus we should disregard their offering. Funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Having been a weather forecast (and thus having had quite a few climatology courses) athough not being a climatologist: Article is one of so many having a quite strong opinion -> unfortunately the scientific community is divided about this issue. This said, the telegraph is not notorious for its scientific accuracy...This article leaves me cold as there are no scientific explanations provided and I question the tone of the article. I don't know if the climate (and climatology is a very young science) is warming or cooling and we will not know before a few thousands or hundre of thousands years for sure. What I know is the meteorological conditions everywhere are changing (we talk about meteorology here not climatology which studies phenomena over a far longer period of time). Newspapers are usually happily mixing "climate change" with simple meteorological conditions -> a climate doesn't change in 1-5-10 years time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorwolf Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 for a more balanced view, may i suggest the op read some articles, from both sides of the "yellow line," on climate debate daily You are a bit late. I posted this link several months ago..... now did you realy?! that's oh so impressive of you. and indeed, that prohibits me from posting the link again...i'm oh so sorry for intruding upon your territory... but please do realise that i used the phrase "a bit late" in a posting in late 2006...so do refrain from using that phrase again, now will you please? it's mine and mine only! stay away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogueyam Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Which is an opinion and as pointed out by the quote, by 2 amateurs. They've effectively ruled themselves out. Thus we should disregard their offering. Funny! A variation on the "appeal to authority" fallacy. Funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogueyam Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Newspapers are usually happily mixing "climate change" with simple meteorological conditions-> a climate doesn't change in 1-5-10 years time... Tell that to the folks who blamed hurricane Katrina on Pres. Bush's refusal to submit the Kyoto Treaty for ratification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 RY did you also follow the same meteorological cursus? Strange I never saw you there. Climate is never about a few years period. Kyoto = Nations acknowledging that human's activities aka pollution might well speed changes up from a climatological point of view. Kyoto is also far more about the direct impact pollution has on our lives -> air quality, CO2 amount etc.... A hurricane is not climatology but the small or big (until the scientific community finds out exactly how much human activities impact climate changes) changes to the climate even if tiny hugely influence local meteorological conditions -> hurricanes are thess kind of local conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogueyam Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I hope for your sake that you are really, really stoned right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainsail Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't understand the resistance to reducing air pollution and changing from oil based transportation and heating technology? Why do right-wingers think this is a bad idea? It's because the people who embrace climate-change are left-wingers. So the right-wing is willing to forgo cleaning up our mess just because they hate the left-wing that much? Is it really worth that? Their petty hate is more important than all the generations that follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainsail Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I don't understand the resistance to reducing air pollution and changing from oil based transportation and heating technology? Why do right-wingers think this is a bad idea? Because it will cost an enormous amount of money' date=' it will provide no benefit to the environment, and it will result in the government having much more control over individuals' lives. Additionally it is just boring and annoying to have to hear about it all of the time because it is all promoted in such trivial and sanctimonious terms. [/quote'] How can you say that reducing air pollution and changing from an oil based energy source will provide no benefit to the environment? That makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Frankly, I'm not sure either way. I have not read extensively on the issue. I would like us to be weened off an oil based economy. My reasons aren't that I think the earth is warming. I don't know. My main reasons are national security reasons. I don't think its smart that we rely on countries outside the U.S. to fuel our nation. We've diverted much of the oil we got from the middle east to Venuezula, Canada, and other countries. I don't care if the countries are friendly to us and are allies (Canada but Venuezula are not allies) or not, if its possible to fuel the country within the borders then lets do so. In time of war its hard to import. Japan found that out in WW2. Germany as well. I would like us to have a greater reliance on nuclear power plants, solar, wind, fule cell, hybrid cars, etc. for purely nationalistic and selfish reasons. In doing so I think we can also provide a host of new jobs and expand industries relate to it. It could be a way to bring jobs back to areas like the rust belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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