What would you do? Heh.

[Guest]

Indeed, if you want to name a girl, would you then also be willing to print your full name, address and e-mail ????

 

I mean not your yahoo or hotmail address where most of us hide behind, but your work or private address ??

 

I dont think so......!

 

 

 

Say there is this nice girl, but you totally wasted and ask here something silly and she walks........

 

Then on this board you will ruin her reputation and career ???????? why ???????

 

 

 

I think I've addressed both these questions. 1) No personal info should be shared about girls or about customers. 2) One bad review from a random source will not ruin anyones career.

[gummigut]

I find several things wrong with the argument about posting reviews:

 

 

 

A person with a grudge won't stop at one bad review.

 

 

 

There is a very vocal group implying that the majority is for posting reviews. This has not been determined. Nor do I believe this to be true, but that's neither here nor there.

 

 

 

To each his own. Some girls will click with some people and not with others. One bad experience does not a girl make.

 

 

 

<<burp>>

[khunsanuk]

Hi,

 

 

 

"Sticking to your convictions is fine. However, anyone who doesn't at least re-evaluate their decisions when the vast majority is against them is foolish."

 

 

 

So, if the 'vast majority' will agree that fucking 10 year old girls is OK, you will then re-evaluate your decision on whether or not you would fuck 10 year old?

 

I see your point, but it is not always valid.

 

 

 

"Most honest girls who just want to provide a good service will also benefit in the long run."

 

 

 

Unless of course they run into a couple of assholes in a row. And still no drawbacks for the punters.

 

 

 

"I'm not quite sure how a reviewer would post a credible report that a BG certainly has HIV, it is unlikely that he would have seen her test results. Any such random claim would certainly bring out many people on the board who would question it."

 

 

 

I disagree. People will assume the worst, and will not want to take the risk. Why take a girl that someone has said has AIDS, true or not, when there are 1,000s that have not been mentioned.

 

Yes, I know this is twisted logic, but this IS how the majority of people think.

 

 

 

"You don't review the person, you review the service."

 

 

 

But in this case the service is very personal.

 

 

 

"The information is less accurate and less useful as time goes on"

 

 

 

Exactly, but will people see it that way?

 

 

 

"I would care more about the people on this board who I've chatted with than some random bargirl. However, I care more about the BGs I know than some random customer."

 

 

 

Then doesn't this proof my point that I don't care about one group over another?

 

Or are you suggesting I only allow my friends to post reviews, or allow only reviews to be posted about bargirls I don't know?

 

 

 

BTW, a quick scan through the last 2 pages of posts reveals 8 against reviews vs. 3 for. Seems to me my decision is in accordance with the general opinion on this.

 

 

 

Sanuk!

 

 

[whosyourdaddy]

"This situation is different. One, you are the customer and you have a right to a certain amount of privacy. This is widely accepted in America and probably most other societies"

 

 

 

HMMMM.Try telling that to the police and the newspapers when you are caught with a whore in small town USA. Dont think are arguement works when you are talking about ladies of the night. Maybe donuts but not whores

[Guest]

[color:blue]This situation is different. One, you are the customer and you have a right to a certain amount of privacy. This is widely accepted in America and probably most other societies.color=blue>

 

 

 

HMMMM.Try telling that to the police and the newspapers when you are caught with a whore in small town USA. Dont think are arguement works when you are talking about ladies of the night. Maybe donuts but not whores

 

 

 

They can do that only because soliciting a prostitute is a crime. There is also a big difference between what is legal and what is ethical.

 

 

 

For Thailand the waters are even murkier, given that prostitution is widely accepted, but not legalized. Any change in the status quo could cause severe repercussions.

[Guest]

So, if the 'vast majority' will agree that fucking 10 year old girls is OK, you will then re-evaluate your decision on whether or not you would fuck 10 year old?

 

 

 

Absolutely. If this were the majority opinion, I would have to wonder why my thinking were different. I would talk to people who thought this was OK and see if they could convince me. It is extremely arrogant to believe that ones convictions are superior to the majority without any evidence or analysis to back it up; many idiotic ideas have lasted far too long because people refused to challenge their own beliefs with reason.

 

 

 

[color:blue]"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotlecolor=blue>

 

 

 

I disagree. People will assume the worst, and will not want to take the risk. Why take a girl that someone has said has AIDS, true or not, when there are 1,000s that have not been mentioned.

 

Yes, I know this is twisted logic, but this IS how the majority of people think.

 

 

 

I agree. The majority will not take the risk. In fact, if a vaguely credible report surfaced that a certain girl was HIV+ I would avoid her (sexually, at least) and choose another. However, it only takes a few people to challenge a report; on a moderated review board a review can be yanked if it is not at all credible.

 

 

 

It actually bothers me that AIDS is not taken very seriously. If bars and BGs want to dispel the rumor that AIDS is rampant, they should do something about it, rather than keep it under wraps (so to speak). All gogos and bars in the major nightlife areas should have reliable testing. Then a single wild accusation that a specific girl was HIV+ would be laughable (unless she was a freelancer). Until they are willing to go to such lengths, I have little problem with people being as conservative as possible.

 

 

 

Then doesn't this proof my point that I don't care about one group over another?

 

Or are you suggesting I only allow my friends to post reviews, or allow only reviews to be posted about bargirls I don't know?

 

 

 

A fair (and thus successful) board would require the moderator to be impartial. That means he couldn't ban reviews that he didn't happen to like and it means reviews would have to be accepted from all members. Reviews could be rejected because they violate certain guidelines (e.g. you could choose not to allow mean-spirited disparaging of physical features or service). I could understand that for practical reasons, the moderator had to say that the girls at a specific bar are off limits for review. For example, if the moderator's wife used to work there

 

 

 

It is only a matter of time until someone starts such a review board for Thailand, as they have for most types of sexual services in the U.S. (strip clubs, massage parlors, escorts, porn stars, ...) Maybe it will damage the somewhat special nature of the Thai industry; I know the industry is slowly changing but the causes are many.

 

 

 

BTW, a quick scan through the last 2 pages of posts reveals 8 against reviews vs. 3 for. Seems to me my decision is in accordance with the general opinion on this.

 

 

 

This is a dangerous area to get into. I think the majority of sanukers would actually love to have a rundown on all the girls and bars. But then most sanukers don't give a rat's ass about the girls; as long as nobody gets in the way of their cheap pussy they're happy. The members of this board are a little more enlightened partly because we have the minimal skills it takes to type into a computer, but also because the atmosphere of this board encourages them and discourages complete assholes. It would be entertaining to see the results of a poll, but you should make it very clear that the poll is just an intellectual exercise and will in no way determine the future of this board.

 

 

 

Something like:

 

1) I think reviews that name specific bars and specific girls should not be allowed.

 

2) I think reviews can mention the names of bars, but not contain any identifiable info about the girls.

 

3) I think reviews can identify the girls, but not use their names or personal info (e.g. home town).

 

4) I think reviews can identify girls by name and/or number, but should not allow any disparaging remarks.

 

5) I think reviews can identify girls by name and/or number and should include both the positive and negative, but be moderated to challenge or delete extreme reviews.

 

6) Anything goes, all names, descriptions, positive and negative should be allowed.

 

 

 

There are probably too many possibilities to satisfy everyone.

[khunsanuk]

Hi,

 

 

 

"However, it only takes a few people to challenge a report; on a moderated review board a review can be yanked if it is not at all credible."

 

But why would those people do so? Chances are nobody else on this board knows the girl, or cares enough to find out if the claims are true or not.

 

And as for yanking uncredible reports, who would decide what is and what is not credible? A very subjective decision.

 

 

 

"It actually bothers me that AIDS is not taken very seriously. If bars and BGs want to dispel the rumor that AIDS is rampant, they should do something about it, rather than keep it under wraps (so to speak)."

 

I agree, and unfortunately some bars do more than just 'keep it under wraps'.

 

 

 

"A fair (and thus successful) board would require the moderator to be impartial. That means he couldn't ban reviews that he didn't happen to like and it means reviews would have to be accepted from all members."

 

I agree, but that wasn't my point.

 

 

 

"For example, if the moderator's wife used to work there"

 

Since my wife never worked in a GoGo/beer bar that would not be an issue.

 

 

 

"It is only a matter of time until someone starts such a review board for Thailand"

 

PaulC tried. It failed miserably. He tried again, same result.

 

 

 

"It would be entertaining to see the results of a poll, but you should make it very clear that the poll is just an intellectual exercise and will in no way determine the future of this board."

 

The problem I have with a poll is that I think that the majority of people voting yes (i.e. allow reviews) would be lurkers, who have not given this issue much thought and just think it would be kinda neat.

 

No offence, but I would not give these opinions as much weight as, for instance, yours or Itsmedave's.

 

 

 

Same holds true for the 'no' voters of course,

 

 

 

"But then most sanukers don't give a rat's ass about the girls; as long as nobody gets in the way of their cheap pussy they're happy."

 

 

 

And I think a good portion of these people would be lurkers, who don't really want 'their cheap pussy', but do not want to explain themselves.

 

 

 

No offence to any lurkers out there of course.

 

 

 

I also think that expats would be more inclined to vote in favor of not reviewing girls (2nd/3rd options), while visitors will tend to vote for reviews (5th/6th options). Guess we will find out, since...

 

 

 

In the interest of an intellectual excersise as you so eloquently put it , I have no problem having this poll. It will not cause a change in policy though, regardless of the outcome.

 

(Poll has been setup in the Polls forum)

 

 

 

Sanuk!

 

 

[Guest]

But why would those people do so? Chances are nobody else on this board knows the girl, or cares enough to find out if the claims are true or not.

 

 

 

There are many white knights who would leap at the chance to defend any BG. We have seen ample evidence of that on the board already, even though the girl has not been named. If the girl were named and the review were not credible (i.e. inconsistent, wild exaggeration, etc.) I have no doubt someone, perhaps me would attack it even with no knowledge of the girl or bar. If the girl happened to be at a bar people here frequented, I imagine a few people would go out of their way. This may not turn out that way, but on other review boards it has worked that way.

 

 

 

And as for yanking uncredible reports, who would decide what is and what is not credible? A very subjective decision.

 

 

 

That's the moderator's job. He wouldn't yank a bad review, just an obviously fabricated or otherwise faulty/inconsistent review.

 

 

 

Since my wife never worked in a GoGo/beer bar that would not be an issue.

 

 

 

Ahh, I hadn't realized you were volunteering for the job.

 

 

 

PaulC tried. It failed miserably. He tried again, same result.

 

 

 

I'm not aware of those efforts. It would make sense for anyone attempting this to see what mistakes were made by PaulC, if any, or if there are external factors unique to Thailand that make it infeasible (e.g. bar girls move around too often to keep track).

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[Guest]

There are a lot of things I would like, but I don't have the time to do all of them (not well, at any rate). Plus my attention span is limited, I wouldn't be interested in the project for more than a few weeks.

 

 

 

I hope you're not suggesting that because I am unwilling to do it myself that it is a worthless idea and not worthy of discussion.