Banning guns saves 200 lives a year

[chuckwoww]

Dunno. I've watched it happen in my lifetime. I suppose the obvious answer is bad parenting and/or broken homes but parents don't really stand a chance against the other pressures.

[Old Hippie]

Hi,

 

Funny to see the reaction of Americans here

The stats do not mesh with their ideas/opinions so they must be wrong. After all, owning a gun is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT!!!

 

Sanuk!

 

PS Banning alcohol would likely have an adverse effect as it would mean it would go underground. People would still (ab)use it, but would likely have to spend a lot more money on it.

They tried this in the US, didn't work.

 

 

KS

 

reread the article, it says suicide by firearm...ok so they banned guns and instead of shooting themselves, they slit their wrists or jump off bridhes, does that really mean anything? Is it really an improvement? I'd like to see if the suicide rate as a whloe is up or down, then we can have that debate either way.

 

As I said, both sides skew the stats to suit their purposes. Years back, the NRA stated that in the USA, firearms were used over 1 million times a year to stop crime, save lives property etc...the FBI claimed it was more like 100,000 the anti gunners said it was neither...and had their own stats that show how many people shot a family member "by accident"...apples and oranges...both sides bullshitting.

[Old Hippie]

'Why have Americans suddenly become more violent?'

 

I'm not sure they have. But there are a lot more Americans these days. It's still a huge country but it's getting a little crowded in places. There are a lot more social pressures nowadays which means more people going postal.

 

 

Americans more violent? About a mile or less from me, there are 3 rival gangs, Nortenos, Surenos and MS 13, largely comprised of immigrants, legal and not from Mexico and Central America. So by and large, not Americans, not that is matters.

[Guest lazyphil]

i dont want to see booze banned or guns. in responsible hands both have a place in society, in the wrong hands its a big menace, both in the wrong hands is most worrying!!!

[Flashermac]

We've even got loonies in the States who want to disarm the police. Well, that's fine ... as long as the bad guys don't carry firearms either.

 

It is very difficult to own a firearm legally in Thailand, except maybe a muzzle loading rifle or musket. (Upcountry folks use them for hunting.) It takes a permit to buy a pistol from a gunshop. That is the reason no one ever gets shot in LOS!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SpiceMan]

In 2006/2007 the US had 28000 fire-arm related homicides. The UK had 59. Neither country is a frontier anymore. But I don't know how a country with 28000 homicides can even claim to be civilized.

 

The average American teenager has seen thousands of TV shootings. But those shootings are always sanitized. You never see anybody rolling around in agony with red blood gushing everywhere. God forbid we should have red blood on TV. The lack of consequences on TV causes blood to be spilled on the streets in real life.

 

But TV is not entirely to blame. Americans want to see TV shootings. American culture is obsessed with guns. The gun deaths will not be curtailed until America grows up and realizes it is no longer a frontier country.

[Flashermac]

Murders with firearms per capita

 

 

# 1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people

 

# 2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people

 

[color:red]# 3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people[/color]

 

# 4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people

 

# 5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people

 

# 6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people

 

# 7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people

 

[color:red]# 8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people[/color]

 

# 9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people

 

# 10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people

 

# 11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people

 

# 12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people

 

# 13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people

 

# 14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people

 

# 15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people

 

# 16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people

 

# 17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people

 

# 18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people

 

# 19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people

 

# 20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people

 

# 21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people

 

# 22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people

 

# 23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people

 

# 24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people

 

# 25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people

 

# 26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people

 

# 27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people

 

# 28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people

 

# 29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people

 

# 30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people

 

# 31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people

 

[color:red]# 32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people[/color]

 

 

 

2000 figures. I imagine Mexico has moved up near the top.

 

[Flashermac]

Murders (all methods) per capita

 

 

 

# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people

 

# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people

 

# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people

 

# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people

 

# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people

 

# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people

 

# 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people

 

# 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people

 

# 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people

 

# 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people

 

# 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people

 

# 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people

 

# 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people

 

[color:red]# 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people[/color]

 

# 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people

 

# 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people

 

# 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people

 

# 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people

 

# 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people

 

# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

 

# 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people

 

# 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people

 

# 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people

 

[color:red]# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people[/color]

 

# 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people

 

# 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people

 

# 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people

 

# 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000

people

 

# 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people

 

# 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people

 

# 31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people

 

# 32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people

 

# 33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people

 

# 34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people

 

# 35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people

 

# 36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people

 

# 37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people

 

# 38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people

 

# 39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people

 

# 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people

 

# 41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people

 

# 42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people

 

# 43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people

 

# 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people

 

# 45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people

 

[color:red]# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people[/color]

 

# 47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people

 

# 48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people

 

# 49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people

 

# 50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people

 

# 51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people

 

# 52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people

 

# 53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people

 

# 54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people

 

# 55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people

 

# 56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people

 

# 57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people

 

# 58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people

 

# 59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people

 

# 60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people

 

# 61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people

 

# 62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people

 

 

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[cavanami]

So there are twice as many killings in LOS then the USA and 4 X's more in the USA then in the UK...interesting.

 

I own firearms but they are locked up and unloaded, so slim chance I will be shooting anyone and gun carrying friends of mines also have their guns in a gun safe, so little chance there.

 

There are extremely few shootings by "normal" people. 99.9% of the shootings are by illegal activities, in the USA, IMO.

OK, just a WAG on the 99.9% but might be close.

[Central Scrutinizer]

Well, to take this from the opposite side... how many people were killed because they did not have a gun to protect themselves? Hmmm. Bet ya it's a lot fucking more than 200 that died from the hands of a murderer due to the fact they could not protect themselves and maybe if they had a gun, knew how to use it properly, they'd still be alive, maybe?

 

Oh, that's right, the cops will be there to protect you if there is a problem and your life is in imminent danger. 5555555555555555! You gonna die muthafucka! Can you hear the police sirens yet coming to save your ass? Didn't think so. They'll be there in an hour or so, maybe. :-)

 

Gimme my gun and my right to protect my person, my family, and my property with it, at least until the cops and civilization comes around to protect my ass from the bad guys.

 

 

(This post is not directed at Mekong or anyone in particular, but is just a general purpose on topic post in the discussion.)

 

Thanks, now please pass the ammo.

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"Most of Australia's 2100 suicides each year do not involve firearms, making the 200 lives saved as a result of the firearm ban small in relation to the suicide total."

 

Exactly.

 

"But Dr Neill said applying an accepted financial value to each of these human lives resulted in an economic boost of $500 million a year - an outcome, she said, that represented $800,000 for each weapon destroyed."

 

That is some seriously convoluted thinking and reasoning there.