Coss Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Ah the great and the good of thai360 know the answers....coolness. Just a couple of points. Firstly, we've just had an El Nino event and next year a La Nina event is predicted. These are natural fluctuations. Hence the increased rainfall in some places and less in others. An example of this is that the Pacific Typhoon season was unusually quiet, while the Atlantic Hurricane season has been above average. Also it is worth pointing out that a global shift causes local changes to occur, some may be warming, others cooling. An example, if the gulf stream collapses or shifts south, due to the global effect of warming, the local effect upon Europe will be cooling. Great minds..... There's a scientist in NZ who unfortunately has extremely poor communications skills, particularly on TV, who's work has shown the mean temperatures of the Southern Pacific have declined slightly over 15 or so years. And another has compared satellite photos of a group of islands (Tuvalu) that are supposedly sinking and found out they are not, they're getting bigger, by and large, (New Scientist, Shape-shifting islands defy sea-level rise, 02 June 2010 by Wendy Zukerman). What a lot of histrionic led neo greenies don't realise is that Anthropogenic anything, is an arrogant concept. Nature simply doesn't care. I'd be more worried about species extinction than climate. Coss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I am not a climate change disciple .. but if big butted Al's predictions / beliefs / position are even kinda sorta correct we're in deep do do. scientists believe that severe drought will affect areas including two-thirds of the US, southern Europe, and much of Latin America beginning in the 2030s, LiveScience reports. http://www.newser.com/story/103310/extreme-drought-predicted-for-us-western-hemisphere-by-2030s.html Lake Mead, the country's biggest reservoir, has fallen to its lowest level since it was filled 75 years ago Lake Mead, the giant man-made lake behind the Hoover Dam and a major source of water for millions of people, is rapidly drying up, reports Live Science. A new study predicts a 50% chance the lake will be too low to produce hydroelectric power by 2017, and a 50% chance that it will vanish by 2021. http://www.newser.com/story/18902/lake-mead-may-vanish-by-2021.html According to Conservatives, Lake Mead has been getting drained by Communist Liberals, or at least that is what the Conservatives tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 Isaan doesn't seem to be suffering from drought. Same in NZ last year' date=' a bit dry, histrionics over global warming and drought, then it pissed down, very wet winter. A Quote: "You humans, you just want everything to remain the same, things get wetter, things get drier, things get hotter, things get colder, get used to it!"[/quote'] Our Australian Al Gore (I forget his name), who has received numerous awards and still sprouts the doomsday message guaranteed that Brisbane Australia would be a waste land and the city would die due to climate change drought, this would happened by 2010. Well, now, it is pissing down, all the dams are full (4 in total), we're letting water flow out of the dams on a weekly basis to avoid flooding to the city. Climatologists are now predicting our wettest summer in 30 years, and our highest cyclone watch (which will bring even more rain). A funny thing about climate, its mere definition invokes 'a change'. Mind you, I still don't think we should be pumping all these gases into the skies Some claim Nostradamus claimed the world was coming to an end in 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, etc. and that it will come to an end in 2011, 2012, 2013, etc. If you think about it, Nostradamus was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 23, 2010 Report Share Posted October 23, 2010 I recall seeing a program once where a scientist said it was incorrect to say the earth is dying. Earth and you can substitute nature for earth because to a large extent we're talking about teh same thing, won't die. He said if this is all true its humans that are vulnerable. The earth is remarkably resilient. It always bounces back. It came back from the ice age, the meteor that killed off the dinosaurs, etc. It takes its sweet old time about it, it may take millions of years sometimes but it always comes back. In that process existing species become extinct new ones evolve from the ones that survive. So, lets just say there will be global warming and to humor those of us that believe its self made by us, the end result of it will be that we as a species won't survive and after we're gone the earth will slowly come back to its previous state and some thing else will emerge as top of the food chain. If there are some of us left and can adapt maybe humans as a species will be here still but obviously in much reduced role for some time. Save being knocked out of its orbit or some extra stellar event like the sun giving off too much heat or not enough, its humans that are vulnerable. The planet will live on and make a comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 While all humans are vulnerable, and all plant and animal life either adapts or goes extinct due to changes the planet incurs over time. Be it a catastrophic meteor strike, ice age, anomalies of the sun, or atmospheric and climate changes. I give little thought or concern about these. I'm a short-term thinker... My main concern is if and when will the the Baht significantly weaken and other currencies strengthen, allowing more affordability of frivolous activities... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coss Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Save being knocked out of its orbit or some extra stellar event like the sun giving off too much heat or not enough, its humans that are vulnerable. The planet will live on and make a comeback. Quite right, overpopulation is the problem, lack of resource. It happens with every species, bacteria in a petri dish will breed until the food has run out, then there's a catastrophic population crash. Happens with rats, locusts, and soon, us. I think someone, somewhere, worked out that the human population would be best at about one billion. So of course now the problem will be, whose billion that might be. Ouch! Coss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 There will be some Malthusian check I think. Disease, war, something will happen that will greatly reduce the human population when we get too many people. Maybe..just maybe our inate nature to war and f**k each other over in some manner or form is nature's way of making sure we will never reach the max population sustaincy point? Our own greed, avarice and inhumanity against each other (war, genocide, etc.) will keep us from that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 << I think someone, somewhere, worked out that the human population would be best at about one billion. So of course now the problem will be, whose billion that might be. >> Let's see ... me, the Thais, the Laos, the Filipinas. That takes care of the important ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 As long as I'm there with 999,999,999 women and as many of them as hot as possible. I have no problem with that. Oh, and no one over 32 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave32 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Written 30 or 40 years ago. hRc6mHS9PjE Born like this Into this As the chalk faces smile As Mrs. Death laughs As the elevators break As political landscapes dissolve As the supermarket bag boy holds a college degree As the oily fish spit out their oily prey As the sun is masked We are Born like this Into this Into these carefully mad wars Into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness Into bars where people no longer speak to each other Into fist fights that end as shootings and knifings Born into this Into hospitals which are so expensive that it's cheaper to die Into lawyers who charge so much it's cheaper to plead guilty Into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed Into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes Born into this Walking and living through this Dying because of this Muted because of this Castrated Debauched Disinherited Because of this Fooled by this Used by this Pissed on by this Made crazy and sick by this Made violent Made inhuman By this The heart is blackened The fingers reach for the throat The gun The knife The bomb The fingers reach toward an unresponsive god The fingers reach for the bottle The pill The powder We are born into this sorrowful deadliness We are born into a government 60 years in debt That soon will be unable to even pay the interest on that debt And the banks will burn Money will be useless There will be open and unpunished murder in the streets It will be guns and roving mobs Land will be useless Food will become a diminishing return Nuclear power will be taken over by the many Explosions will continually shake the earth Radiated robot men will stalk each other The rich and the chosen will watch from space platforms Dante's Inferno will be made to look like a children's playground The sun will not be seen and it will always be night Trees will die All vegetation will die Radiated men will eat the flesh of radiated men The sea will be poisoned The lakes and rivers will vanish Rain will be the new gold The rotting bodies of men and animals will stink in the dark wind The last few survivors will be overtaken by new and hideous diseases And the space platforms will be destroyed by attrition The petering out of supplies The natural effect of general decay And there will be the most beautiful silence never heard Born out of that. The sun still hidden there Awaiting the next chapter. - Charles 'Hank' Bukowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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