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Hi, Guys, why are you so obsessed with this thread? Why want it locked? Don't like it, just don't bloody read it. Sanuk!  

Why do you need elections when you have the media?

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Now that I'm a Misandrist, I'll have to give trashing Trump a fair go, giving up Misogyny might be hard though.

 

To reflect the comments of others on this board and others in the media:

 

People have voted for an idiot, a fantastic idiot, the best idiot, let me tell you that. I know that this idiot is a magnificent idiot, the smartest idiot, people know he is the smartest idiot we've ever seen. I can tell you, some say it, but they hate to say it, but we have the smartest idiot. And people voted for this superb idiot, this best idiot because they didn't want an evil, corrupt, vicious, man hating feminist, who we know, would have exacted her revenge on the unsuspecting pubic and world, for past slights and particularly the many experiences she's endured as a cuckquean.

 

I wonder if I'm getting the hang of it.

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In five states Sanders won where exit polling data is available — Indiana, Michigan, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

 

I doubt that Sanders if he ran against Trump, he would win in Indiana (Trump's running mate, Pence is

the governor of that state), Oklahoma and West Virginia....all "red" states. I agree Sanders has a

better chance than Clinton in Michigan and Wisconsin...both states went to Trump!

 

As a side note, Trump's home state...New York went to Clinton by a 1.5 million vote margin. In

Manhattan, more than 500,000 votes went to Clinton vs. 58,000 for Trump.

 

In terms of the popular vote, nationally, Clinton beat Trump by over 200,000 votes! I believe the final

vote tallies will be out in the coming days!

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Trump has met Obama at the White House. The meeting was police and both tried to be positive, but Obama clearly looked like he'd lost an election himself.

 

Lots of talk again about the Electoral College, but both parties have sometimes benefited from it and so they've done nothing. Maybe this time, since the Democrates have been screwed twice in recent years, it will finally be made proportional or even eliminated, though getting rid of it would be difficult.

 

Constitution:

 

Article II

Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

 

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

 

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"In 2000, Vice President Al Gore won 539,000 more votes than Texas Gov. George W. Bush, but Bush won the presidency because he squeaked out a victory in Florida, with the help of a U.S. Supreme Court decision that stopped a recount, giving him a majority of the electoral votes.

 

"The system nearly worked in the opposite direction four years later. Had John F. Kerry won 60,000 more votes in Ohio, he could have won the White House, even though President Bush won 3 million more votes than his Democratic challenger."

 

http://www.latimes.c...1110-story.html

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Bernie Sanders Just Blasted the Democratic Party for Trump’s Victory

 

 

 

In the wake of Trump’s general election victory, Bernie Sanders criticized the Democratic party for failing to connect with working people in America, suggesting that the left has lost its way.

 

“It is an embarrassment, I think, to the entire of [the] Democratic Party that millions of white working-class people decided to vote for Mr. Trump,†Sanders told the Associated Press. “Which suggests that the Democratic message of standing up for working people no longer holds much sway among workers in this country.

 

“You cannot be a party which on one hand says we’re in favor of working people, we’re in favor of the needs of young people, but we don’t quite have the courage to take on Wall Street and the billionaire class,†he wrote today. “People do not believe that. You’ve got to decide which side you’re on.â€

 

Sanders also wrote in a statement yesterday that he is willing to cooperate with Trump “to the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country.â€

 

However, Sanders has expressed grave doubts about the likelihood of this outcome.

 

“I hope I’m wrong, but I believe that he is a fraud, and I think despite all of his rhetoric about being a champion of the working class, it will turn out to be hollow,†Sanders said.

 

During the Democratic primaries, hypothetical polling consistently featured Sanders as doing much betterin a match up against Trump than Clinton. While the Sanders campaign was often mocked by its critics as mostly appealing to white males, this demographic was where Clinton faltered the most dramatically.

 

Sanders has confirmed that he plans to run for the Senate again in 2018, and has not ruled out another presidential run, saying “Four years is a long time from now. We’ll take one thing at a time, but I’m not ruling out anything.â€

 

 

http://usuncut.com/n...trumps-victory/

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Now that Trump has won and is the president-elect, let's see in the coming months what he does for the disaffected-largely white workers in the "rust belt" and other places in America. That was his core message---of his help to bring back jobs, which is a departure from Republican orthodoxy. Will the rejection of TPP and the renegotiation of NAFTA do that or will he start a trade war with China?

 

 

Below is Senator Elizabeth Warren's letter to her supporters.

 

This wasn’t a pretty election. In fact, it was ugly, and we should not sugarcoat the reason why. Donald Trump ran a campaign that started with racial attacks and then rode the escalator down. He encouraged a toxic stew of hatred and fear. He attacked millions of Americans. And he regularly made statements that undermined core values of our democracy.

 

And he won. He won – and now Latino and Muslim-American children are worried about what will happen to their families. LGBT couples are worried that their marriages could be dissolved by a Trump-Pence Supreme Court. Women are worried that their access to desperately needed health services will disappear. Millions of people in this country are worried, deeply worried. And they are right to be worried.

 

Today, as President-Elect, Donald Trump has an opportunity to chart a different course: to govern for all Americans and to respect our institutions. In his victory speech, he pledged that he would be “President for all†of the American people. And when he takes the oath of office as the leader of our democracy and the leader of all Americans, I sincerely hope that he will fulfill that pledge with respect and concern for every single human being in this country, no matter who they are, no matter where they come from, no matter what they believe, no matter whom they love.

 

And that marks Democrats’ first job in this new era: We will stand up to bigotry. There is no compromise here. In all its forms, we will fight back against attacks on Latinos, African Americans, women, Muslims, immigrants, disabled Americans – on anyone. Whether Donald Trump sits in a glass tower or sits in the White House, we will not give an inch on this, not now, not ever.

 

But there are many millions of people who did not vote for Donald Trump because of the bigotry and hate that fueled his campaign rallies. They voted for him despite the hate. They voted for him out of frustration and anger – and also out of hope that he would bring change.

 

If we have learned nothing else from the past two years of electioneering, we should hear the message loud and clear that the American people want Washington to change. It was clear in the Democratic Primaries. It was clear in the Republican Primaries. It was clear in the campaign and it was clear on Election Day. The final results may have divided us – but the entire electorate embraced deep, fundamental reform of our economic system and our political system.

 

Working families across this country are deeply frustrated about an economy and a government that doesn’t work for them. Exit polling on Tuesday found that 72 percent of voters believe that "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful." 72 percent of ALL voters – Democrats and Republicans. The polls were also made clear that the economy was the top issue on voters’ minds. Americans are angry about a federal government that works for the rich and powerful and that leaves everyone else in the dirt.

 

Lobbyists and Washington insiders have spent years trying to convince themselves and each other that Americans don’t actually believe this. Now that the returns are in and the people have spoken, they’re already trying to wave their hands and dismiss these views as some sort of mass delusion. They are wrong – very wrong.

 

The truth is that people are right to be angry. Angry that wages have been stagnant for a generation, while basic costs like housing, health care, and child care have skyrocketed. Angry that our political system is awash in barely legalized campaign bribery. Angry that Washington eagerly protects tax breaks for billionaires while it refuses to raise the minimum wage, or help the millions of Americans struggling with student loans, or enforce the law when the millionaire CEOs who fund our political campaigns break it. Angry that Washington pushes big corporate interests in trade deals, but won’t make the investments in infrastructure to create good jobs right here in America. Angry that Washington tilts the playing field for giant corporations – giving them special privileges, letting them amass enormous economic and political power.

 

Angry that while Washington dithers and spins and does the backstroke in an ocean of money, while the American Dream moves further and further out of reach for too many families. Angry that working people are in debt. Angry that seniors can’t stretch a Social Security check to cover the basics.

 

President-Elect Trump spoke to these issues. Republican elites hated him for it. But he didn’t care. He criticized Wall Street and big money’s dominance in Washington – straight up. He supported a new Glass-Steagall. He spoke of the need to reform our trade deals so they aren’t raw deals for the American people. He said he will not cut Social Security benefits. He talked about the need to address the rising cost of college and about helping working parents struggling with the high cost of child care. He spoke of the urgency of rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and putting people back to work. He spoke to the very real sense of millions of Americans that their government and their economy has abandoned them. And he promised to rebuild our economy for working people.

 

The deep worry that people feel over an America that does not work for them is not liberal or conservative worry. It is not Democratic or Republican worry. It is the deep worry that led even Americans with very deep reservations about Donald Trump’s temperament and fitness to vote for him anyway.

 

So let me be 100% clear about this. When President-Elect Trump wants to take on these issues, when his goal is to increase the economic security of middle class families, then count me in. I will put aside our differences and I will work with him to accomplish that goal. I offer to work as hard as I can and to pull as many people as I can into this effort. If Trump is ready to go on rebuilding economic security for millions of Americans, so am I and so are a lot of other people—Democrats and Republicans.

 

But let’s also be clear about what rebuilding our economy does not mean.

• It does not mean handing the keys to our economy over to Wall Street so they can run it for themselves. Americans want to hold the big banks accountable. That will not happen if we gut Dodd-Frank and fire the cops responsible for watching over those banks, like the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. If Trump and the Republican Party try to turn loose the big banks and financial institutions so they can once again gamble with our economy and bring it all crashing down, then we will fight them every step of the way.

 

• It does not mean crippling our economy and ripping working families apart by rounding up and deporting millions of our coworkers, our friends and neighbors, our mothers and fathers, our sons and daughters. And if Republicans choose that path, we will fight them every single step of the way.

 

• Americans want reform to Obamacare – Democrats included. We must bring down the costs of health insurance and the cost of health care. But if the Republicans want to strip away health insurance from 20 million Americans, if they want to let cancer survivors get kicked to the curb, if they want to throw 24-year-olds off their parents’ health insurance, then we will fight them every step of the way.

 

• Americans want to close tax loopholes that benefit the very rich, and Donald Trump claimed to support closing the carried interest loophole and other loopholes. We need a fairer tax system, but if Republicans want to force through massive tax breaks that blow a hole in our deficit and tilt the playing field even further toward the wealthy and big corporations, then we will fight them every step of the way.

 

The American people – Democrats, Republicans, and Independents – have been clear about what economic policies they want Washington to pursue. Two-thirds of people support raising the federal minimum wage. Three-quarters of Americans want the federal government to increase its infrastructure investments. Over 70 percent of people believe students should have a chance at a debt-free education. Nearly three-quarters support expanding Social Security. These are the kinds of policies that will help level the playing field for working families and address the frustrations felt by millions of people across the country.

 

The American people sent one more message as well. Economic reform requires political reform. Why has the federal government worked so long only for those at the top? The answer is money – and they want this system changed. The American people are sick of politicians wallowing in the campaign contributions and dark money. They are revolted by influence peddling by wealthy people and giant corporations. When Bernie Sanders proved his independence by running a campaign based on small dollar contributions and when Donald Trump promised to spend his own money, both were sending an important message that they could not be bought. And once again, if Donald Trump is ready to make good on his promise to get corruption out of politics, to end dark money and pay-to-play, count me in. I will work as hard as I can and to pull as many people as I can to end the influence of big money and return democracy to the people.

 

Donald Trump won the Presidency under a Republican flag. But Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan and the Republicans in Congress – and their way of doing business – were rejected – rejected by their own primary voters, rejected during the campaign, and rejected in Tuesday’s election. Regardless of political party, working families are disgusted by a Washington that works for the rich and powerful and leaves everyone else behind.

 

The American people have called out loudly for economic and political reform. For years, too many Republicans and too many Democrats have refused to hear their demands.

 

The majority of Americans voted against Donald Trump. Democrats picked up seats in both the House and the Senate. And yet, here we are. Republicans are in control of both houses of Congress and the White House. And that makes our job clear. As the loyal opposition we will fight harder, we will fight longer and we will fight more passionately than ever for the rights of every human being in this country to be treated with respect and dignity. We will fight for economic opportunity, not just for some of our children, but for all of our children. We do not control the tools of government, but make no mistake, we know what we stand for, the sun will keep rising, and we will keep fighting – each day, every day, we will fight for the people of this country.

 

The time for ignoring the American people is over. It’s time for us to come together to work on America’s agenda. Democracy demands that we do so, and we are ready.

 

 

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For one thing, we could start off by telling the truth.

 

 

"... and now Latino and Muslim-American children are worried about what will happen to their families."

 

Not if they are in the USA legally. I have to follow the immigration laws of Thailand. Why shouldn't others in my own country?

 

 

"The majority of Americans voted against Donald Trump." No they did not! Hillary got 47.7% of the votes, and Trump received 47.5. NO CANDIDATE received a majority. A majority requires more than 50%.

 

 

p.s. I did NOT vote for Trump. And it sounds like Elizabeth Warren is starting her campaign for 2020.

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