Hugh_Hoy Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 More rhetoric? Hillary Clinton dressed down the Israeli's after it was announced that the Israeli government was planning to build 1600 new housing units in a part of Jeruselum that is a major point of contention in a solution to the Palestinian-Israeli peace negotiations. Israel has known for a looooong time that the U.S. opposes such new settlements. Yet it keeps going on and on and on. Well, I say "to hell" with Israel. The Anti-Defamation League has characterized Israel as a "friend and ally" of the U.S. That's bullshit. Friends and allies do NOT try to provoke adversaries when a friend and ally is trying to sort things out and has already stated its position. It is more accurate to say that the U.S. is a "friend and ally" of Israel. Further, the ADL needs to get it's act together and quit trying to play the "victim card" in this latest transgression. Clearly, Israel is, once again, about to fuck things up. Long overdue it is time for the U.S. to stop the foreign aid. Then Israel might not have the dollars needed to keep expanding it's settlements. There isn't any real reason that I can think of why the U.S. should have any special relationship with Israel. It certainly isn't in the best interests of the U.S. to prop up that country. (Witness 9/11 and other attacks suffered, in part, due to a close relationship with Israel._And I'm not sure the U.S. has any special obligation to continue to support Israel. Israel is more trouble than it's worth, IMO. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_palestinians_israel Cracks me up that Obama thinks he can talk sensibly with Iran when he can't even reason with a "friend and ally". HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Yes, agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Cracks me up that Obama thinks he can talk sensibly with Iran when he can't even reason with a "friend and ally". HH Well he can threaten Iran. The US has zero influence on Israel. Let's see if Hillary walks her 'tough' statement back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shygye Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 The USA and EU have great influence on Israel, BUT refuse to use it. Just remove Israel from "Most Favored Nation" status. They would stop building the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 It will never happen. But there is definitely a wind of change beginning to blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 USA has a vested interest in Israel, especially after we armed them with nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozpharlap Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Would that vested interest be New York City and LA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 USA has a vested interest in Israel, especially after we armed them with nukes. Ummm ... I think Israel was quite capable of arming itself. Think of the name of the developer the US's atom bomb: Julius Robert Oppenheimer. Israel looks after its own interests. What country doesn't? (Well, except for the United States... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acockasian Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/new-fbi-files-alleging-aipac-theft-of-government-property-and-israeli-espionage-released-87230727.html New FBI Files Alleging AIPAC Theft of Government Property and Israeli Espionage Released WASHINGTON, March 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Declassified files detailing an FBI investigation targeting the American Israel Public Affairs Committee are now available on the Internet. AIPAC was investigated after it acquired and circulated classified government information provided in strict confidence by US industry and worker groups opposed to AIPAC sponsored economic legislation. The 50 pages now available as portable document files (PDF) include: FBI reports of Israelis circulating classified documents in the US Congress, "compromising" the authority of the U.S. President. http://irmep.org/ila/economy/06201984.pdf US Trade Representative concerns that AIPAC was tactically "divulging" classified information supplied by US industries opposed to AIPAC lobbying initiatives. http://irmep.org/ila/economy/06211984.pdf Reports from the International Trade Commission that AIPAC and Israeli operatives "usurped" US government authority and that an Israeli intelligence service operative was working undercover on AIPAC's staff: http://irmep.org/ila/economy/08131984r.pdf Internal Department of Justice prosecutorial opinions that "theft of government property" had occurred: http://irmep.org/ila/economy/08301984.pdf An FBI director order that the Washington Field office give the AIPAC investigation top priority after Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard was caught on video surveillance stealing classified US national defense information: http://irmep.org/ila/economy/11151985.pdf FBI special agent interviews of Israeli minister of economics Dan Halpern who claimed diplomatic immunity. Halpern admitted passing classified US documents to AIPAC but refused to name his source: http://irmep.org/ila/economy/03071986DHALERN.pdf FBI special agent interviews of AIPAC's former director of legislative affairs detailing how he made copies of the classified documents for AIPAC's lobbying use after being ordered to return them to the US government. http://irmep.org/ila/economy/02131986DB.pdf FBI interviews of key AIPAC employees involved in handling the classified US government information (full document listing): http://irmep.org/ila/economy/ According to research director Grant F. Smith, the newly released files present startling new insights into AIPAC's activities in the United States. "These files, available on the Internet for the first time, reveal activities that undermined rule of law and governance. They have wrought massive economic harm to American businesses and workers. We urge all concerned Americans to carefully review and ponder the implications of these FBI files and other documents now available from the Israel Lobby Archive." The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington. The Archive digitizes declassified documents obtained through Freedom of Information Act filings with law enforcement, economic, diplomatic and intelligence agencies. IRmep is a Washington-based nonprofit that studies U.S. Middle East policy formulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Could become a big story....if it doesn't get buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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