ALHOLK Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Hi! If the crackdown persists and becomes serious, it won?t eliminate commercial sex in Thailand. It will simply channel it into the hands of vested criminal interests who will take a larger percentage of the proceeds at the expense of working girls. That is exactly what happened in Sweden when they criminalized paying for sex. regards ALHOLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Not sure what you are trying to say other than their problem of the poor showing up in the bars is a cure for their problem. Ok so when in the states where you are from had a problem with teens dropping out of school could no longer get a license before 18 did that make them all drive illegal. What it did was put another void in dropping out of school. You make it sound like it is simple and only against the poor. As you pointed out they can do it in the streets anyway so why complain if they are only saying you have to keep your clothes on in the bar same as on the street, and you can only stay inside til 2 am. Nothing has changed about the prostitution itself, correct. Now making them register to work in the bar which I am not sure this is not only because taxes are not being paid and if a person works the government needs taxes to run a country so it is good for the country right? Are you on a pension from your government. Now if incidently if this is kind of telling these young girls that this is not the best course for you to choose and maybe if we the government would have not let it be so easy and acceptable to get involved in maybe some of these young people around the nightlife would of worked their way up the latter of success by other ways. They did not criminalise it just made it not as appealing. If they wanted to really make it bad as the sweden reference is saying they would not let girls in the hotels as the middle east countries do. So if Thailand moves their laws in the same directions that the most successful countries in the world does it is going to destroy them. HMMM I seem to be missing something here. Please help me on this. Should thailand do more of what you say are making them a success. To much of a good thing can also be bad you know. Maybe they should continue to ride on the peckers of successful countries after all everything the government does makes a joke of themselves and shows their incompetence, right. Truly the only knee jerking going on is the people that are not smart enough to see what the intent of the new enforcement of the constraints being put in place are for. The only reason these people are complaining and making complete fools of themselves for, are, because it is a plain and simple inconvience to themself. I was born at night but not last night. If these people that are complaining so much about what fools Thailand is making of themselves why not just leave, after all it's not our country to be problemed with. Of course we know most of us are just worried about the welfare of the poor. Time to show the donations made to the homeless children to prove our concern. They will also accept donations from abroad. The only thing that most are worried about is the inconvience and they should do a couple wai's and say thanks for valuing the currency from my country so generously!!!! Oh My Bhuda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Read the general post section seems like toursit for the year may be up this year even with SARS, Crackdown and poor economies around the world. Thailands economy is up more than most. The Q-bars problem now this is something to bitch about if it is actually stated correctly, I don't like the place though. Corruption is rampant, ie; paying off the police to stay open late, girls not compling with keeping their clothes on and people living on a tourist visa more than the 90 days it is intended for. Mostly minmal but all a market of corruption. As long as something benefits the foreigner which is corrupt and illegal it is ok. But some general order forget it you are picking on us and our money means everything you cannot survive without us. If foreigners do not have to obey the law then why do the local citizens have to!!!!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxxxl Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Sorry, don't mean to take this thread off track, just address the issue that some countries are loosening controls while Thailand is tightening. Let me say that I haven't seen any bar in Singapore that is open past the previous closing time of 3:00. And, the dancing on bar law is about letting customers dance on bars at places like Carnegies. It's got nothing to do with gogo style dancing. Singapore has a very tightly controlled, but legal, sex industry and the workers appear to be treated much worse than the girls working in Thailand's gogos. The whole system is set up to benefit the customers while allowing the government to control the trade. Consideration for the workers is the least priority. This excludes the relatively small number of FLs that work in places like Orchard Tower who are tolerated but subject to frequent crackdowns. The argument that if a government doesn't make something illegal, and enforce it, it is condoning the behavior is wrong. Governments don't set examples for society, they can only assist in setting up a system that gives people other choices. If the government of Thailand wanted to keep young people out of prostitution, they would stop all the corrupt practices that keep development from affecting the poor. As others in this thread have pointed out, this crackdown isn't helping the average people of Thailand, it's just a political distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 is the people that are not smart enough to see what the intent of the new enforcement of the constraints being put in place are for I tried to wade through your post to find what your point was, but did not have the energy this evening. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. But I did see this comment, which I have placed in quotes since it seems to sum up much of what your saying. You see, here is the difference: I have this radical idea that people are smart enough to see what is good for them and make their own decisions. Crazy idea, huh? And if you look around the world at the more succesful economies where the quality of life is good, you'll see more and more societies following this crazy idea. Strange, huh, that the more succesful societies reject the notion that a government elite knows what is best for people, and instead give the people the freedom to decide for themselves? We live in a wild world, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 IN THE NEWS......... ================================== >>>Police chief cracks down: 'No more sex in parlours' No more sex massage is the message from the social order crusade. BANGKOK: Police chief Sant Sarutanond yesterday pledged to do what many believe is impossible - make all massage parlours sex-free. His clampdown threat, which prompted many critics to ask "Why now?", is the latest twist in the convoluted showdown between police and controversial commercial-sex tycoon Chuwit Kamolvisit. Undercover officers posing as customers have visited Chuwit's five night-entertainment venues and rounded up operators and female masseuses on charges of prostitution. Sant insisted that police had not discriminated against Chuwit, and that legal action would be taken from now on against any massage parlour found to provide sexual services. "I have sent out a clear message, and that is 'no sex at massage parlours'," said a defiant Sant, who has admitted recently to being the business partner of a hotelier who also owns massage parlours. "We need a better social order. We don't want to be a place where tourists who want just massage are handed a Bt3,000 bill and wonder what on earth is going on. The sex services are an embarrassment to our country, our image and our culture." The police chief pledged to deploy undercover police on a regular basis and is looking at a legal possibility of "standardising" service fees at massage parlours in order to prevent operators from charging customers for sex. "Fees must cover baths and massages only," he said. But even Deputy Commerce Minister Watana Muangsook doubted that Sant's idea could be enforced. "Only basic necessities are subject to price controls," Watana said. "If a private club wants to charge its customers Bt1 million each, nobody can stop that." Chuwit yesterday led owners of massage parlours to taunt Sant for forgetting the principles of a market economy. "The man has lost the plot," said Chuwit. "We are not a monopoly working on government concessions. Our clients won't die if they can't come to us, and nor do we force anyone to use our services." The manager of a massage parlour on Phetchaburi Road accused Sant of trying to apply socialist concepts to a capitalist market. "Anywhere in the world, prices of luxuries are market-driven," he said. Some massage-parlour customers believe the police are "doing the right thing for the wrong reason" after being embarrassed by Chuwit's bombshell claims that he paid massive bribes to senior policemen to keep his business going. Members of the House committee on police affairs also questioned Sant's motives in their private talks, said the panel's spokesman, Wuthipong Chaisaeng. "Many of us see the raid on Chuwit's massage parlours as a discriminatory enforcement of the law," he said. Chuwit is also facing money-laundering charges. "I have been in this business for 10 years and the police have never bothered to search my places," the tycoon said. "Now they have arrested my employees, poor girls. What will they do now, with police cornering them like that? I think all the officers involved in this inhuman action will get promotions." Source: The Nation<<<< HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jitagawn Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Amazing!! Its all face saving posturing bullshit. My best Thai friend who is a at the very top of business and government circles just laughed and said-Impossible! -Benbaimaidai- Classic TIT :: :: :: :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickbuffalo Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Says Gadfly1: Strange, huh, that the more succesful societies reject the notion that a government elite knows what is best for people, and instead give the people the freedom to decide for themselves? We live in a wild world, and I wouldn't want it any other way. Elite? According to opinion polls around 80% of the Thai people support the Social Order Campaign. Purachai is the most popular minister in Taksin's government and probably one of the most popular politicians Thailand has ever had. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Removed comment relating to racist remarks towards Americans. Sickbuffalo......you are a newbie here, so please read the board rules before posting further. And a reminder to all.....let's keep the political discussions out of here. Politics is banned on this board. The purpose of this thread is to provide info. relating to the current crackdown. Wanna post about what the goverment is doing, then fine. But debates about the legitimacy of such actions, are taboo. HT - NL Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Business is business and government is business. The War on drugs continues and has made people think twice abot drugs, so it is with the sex trade. Prostitution and drugs are illegal in Thailand as it is in most countries. The drug and prostitution industries pay no taxes and I feel the root of the problem is people making huge amounts of money, in these two businesses, and not paying any taxes. Tax them. Regulate them, and all can prosper. But if Thailand should legalize both businesses, shouldn't the other nations of the world do also? How many people would like to see a brothel or a crackhouse across the street from them? The problem is nop simple. My advise to foreigners is not to get caught in any of the places the police may raid. In most countries, if convicted in another country of a sex crime, the person may have to register in their home country as a sex offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jxxxl Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 "Elite? According to opinion polls around 80% of the Thai people support the Social Order Campaign. Purachai is the most popular minister in Taksin's government and probably one of the most popular politicians Thailand has ever had." Would you please share with us where you got this information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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