Old Hippie Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 1) do you pay the outrageous 10000 the bar asks so she can come back to work anytime? ( done to death already on the board I believe) HELL NO! The management might change 10 times before she ever sets foot in there again, if she ever does. And she can always get another job. 2) how much money does she need? ( similarly done to death) "Need?" or "want?" there is never enough money, not for them, not for us. No matter how much, the supply of relatives needing help will out run your supply of cash. Set limits! 3) what is the best possible attitude towards her vast stable of regular punters who phone up to arrange a fuck? Don't allow it. You are making personnal sacrifices to remove her from this life, so why pay so some guy can dodge the bar fine? let him/them support her, and you go fuck her when you want/can...works both ways. 4) how to tread the line between her new found dependence on the taker-out and her previous independence? This is now a mutually respectful relationship...so set boundries, and both respect them. 5) what about her old bar mates..are they poison to the new phase of life, or do they benevolently soften the change? Most likely they will be poison, jealous etc. I have seen and recently been involved with BGs lying to upset a coworker they feel has a better deal. Her old colleagues may call her to tell her some guy is in the bar looking for her, will pay big "just want to see you, come now..." Or "you have farang, I need money can you help?" Possibility she may have one friend who supports/encourages her to make it work, but difficult to say. Her own family may try to sabotage her new relationship, telling her, "we need more money, you have more before..." many factors here. 6) how long should she hang around before "doing" something else ( school/job whatever) Immediately get her in school/job training. The faster you get her on track and break the ideals of her previous career, the better, offer insentives! "Wake up, go to school, we will do whatever (activity/go someplace she wants)...or I will give you this as a reward for compleateing school..." if you are really serious, offer insentives for her family such as "...compleate this and I will do whatever for your mother..." Whatever works. But seriously, if you are not intending to commit to her, expect her to take what she can and bail as soon as something better comes along. I know a few guys who went abroad without their wives, and the wives assumption (from previous experience) was the husband was bailing, and the second he was gone, went into the mode of looking for a replacement...quite a few girls I know who married, always have a replacement in mind, I still get emails from girls I went with years back (now married), telling me of their woes. My guess is they are sending out a survey of sorts. Can't blame them really, security is the big factor in any relationship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 what the fuck more do you want to know about a girl???? ------------------------------ Me? nothing. :: I think all your points are still not addressing your RT to her and her to you, the stuff, the feel of it, that is really personal, not the cultural, which is very interesting, but talks, IMO, about a TBG's life, not this TBG. Anyway, all I said was in defense of you seeking to help this woman, as you are the best judge, hopefully, to make the decision or not. the only judgement we could make, if ever, in a TG/farang RT is a negative one, if one were posting one/she did wrong things that seem to us warning signs of impending doom. JASMINE: why then not ALL poor Thai women do not turn into prostitution. ----------------------------- Because some and some don't. Some are co-erced, and some are not. Individual and less individual choices. Personally, i see no difference between a TG who goes into prostitution and one who does not. Though prostitution may change the girl for the worse, but that's at the outset, not the onset. The reasons the girls enter that industry do not imply they are doing something wrong by doing so, or have loose morals, though as i said, there is a lot to say about a society that makes it so normal to do so. To me, that is the question that matters: Why can poor girls enter the prostitution in so many large numbers, not why some do or don't? Because even for the ones who don't, the door is wide open, anytime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 "...Anyway, all I said was in defense of you seeking to help this woman, as you are the best judge, hopefully, to make the decision or not. .." Yeah, I guess like anything else, if you like this girl, and want to try and help her, and you can afford it, and are willing to assume you may just get played, then I say go ahead, take the chance. I failed to point out before, that I do know a few girls who went into things like this realizing it as a way to get ahead. I knew one woman who told the guy "I know you aren;t serious, but this is what I want...pay Uni up front, pay apartment upfront, and give me XXX a month Bhat...and so much up front..." he assumed the risk, and she kept her part of the bargin, so did he. She has a uni degree, work as a real estate office manager...oh and still cruises Sukhumvit at times when money is needed/wanted, demands 2500 and gets it, hot girl! nice also...won't go with me though..."...we friends, I can't go with you..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 >>>Personally, i see no difference between a TG who goes into prostitution and one who does not. Though prostitution may change the girl for the worse, but that's at the outset, not the onset<<<. If its entirely out of free will, then entering into prostitution does say something about the mentality IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 mentality, yes, morality no. The free will is a loaded question, they keep writing books and studies about it all, free will on the surface, disguised co-ercion based on the situation of women, blahblahblah. I am sure we all pondered over the tenants of the equation. All I can say is that if Thailand did not have a huge sex industry, famous for it, therefore attracting more and more "business" and punters, with its workings quite in the open, either local and tourist, hence the "brothel of the world" fame attached to the country, I doubt the girls who enter it would create it themselves. When one's pussy is more prized than one's education and potential as a human being, I guess it helps making it a commodity on the market place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Agreed, but anyone wanting to start a LT relationship with a prostitute should IMO first determine the reason for entering prostitution. And if it was purely for quick financial gains and not so much out of economic necessity, one should seriously consider this apparent mentality. Such a woman apparently gives priority to money. I wouldn't want to be in a LT with a woman with such a mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Hi, I've been away for the weekend. Good thread so far though, with many good points given, IMO. While there will never be a consensus here (or anywhere for that matter) on this subject, largely because there is no definitive statistics out there to prove any facts, we can only base our knowledge on our own personal observations, coupled with individual morality issues, each of us hold within. Always makes for a hot debate, along with religion, and politics. JJ makes good points that many such relationships may not work, due to punter's expectations, and lack of understanding, and commitment. Throwing a girl's past in her face at every turn, or only wanting a maid for a wife, is a recipe for disaster, guaranteed. If that is what most are looking to get out of it, then certainly cannot blame any girl for wanting to return to the scene. But I also agree with Jasmine, in her ascertains that there a large majority, who decide to go into the business, simply looking for the big bucks, and laziness is certainly a factor in many cases. You cannot ignore that fact, that the vast majority of Thai women, placed in a bad situation the same as a Prostitute maybe in, chose to *not* enter the business. Simply citing that Thailand is a third world country, and as so, is a legit reason for any girl to enter the world of prostitution, is naive, and stupid, at best. Another poster alluded to the commonplace acceptance of prostitutution there? Are you kidding? Look at "Natt". A teenager caught there, making a porno film. She has totally disgraced her entire family there. Being a whore is not acceptable, to the vast majority of Thai society. She is a huge embarrassment to every Khon Thai I have talked to. Given all this, I'm replying to "orandanodes", who says: >>>>Agreed, but anyone wanting to start a LT relationship with a prostitute should IMO first determine the reason for entering prostitution. And if it was purely for quick financial gains and not so much out of economic necessity, one should seriously consider this apparent mentality. Such a woman apparently gives priority to money. I wouldn't want to be in a LT with a woman with such a mentality<<< In the end, this pretty much sums it up for me, also. I'll never buy into the school of thought, that most Thai prostitutes choose their job, out of no other choices, available to them. A poor, third world country, that offers no other choice for them to do? That is a total crock of shit, in all but a very few cases, at least where Thailand is concerned. In all my experience, I've never seen that once, to be the case. But that has just been my experience. In the end, that's what we're talking about here, so probably best to keep focused, around these common venues. Border town bordelows, focused around the local scene, are a different story, altogether, and banned here, for good reason. As a whole different area, from what us farang are privy too, and a different subject, altogether. The girls we encounter, are not in this situation, so should not be a part of the discussion here, IMO. HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 <<She has totally disgraced her entire family there. Being a whore is not acceptable, to the vast majority of Thai society. She is a huge embarrassment to every Khon Thai I have talked to>> Then alot of us here who have gotten our kicks with the bars should think twice about going to LOS to partake and perpetuate the bad cycle (and image) of the need for the industry to procure girls for the falang scene that as you said is an embarrassment. Let the Thai guys carry on this business as they keep it under wraps! ?..funny thing is I went to a Thai short time room (with a big curtain to hide the car) and it had Thai pornos running inside! And again, what makes a man who has used Thai bgs an a appropriate catch for a non working tg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 >>>>Then alot of us here who have gotten our kicks with the bars should think twice about going to LOS to partake and perpetuate the bad cycle (and image) of the need for the industry to procure girls for the falang scene that as you said is an embarrassment.<<<< I never said that at all. I said Nat is an embarrassment to the Thai people, as she is a khon Thai, and participated in a Japanese porn flick. Nothing more, and nothing less. Don't read more than what I stated. I simply stated a simple fact. Any urguement on your part, then maybe is better taken up with the Thai people. ??????? >>>procure girls for the falang scene that as you said is an embarrassment.<<< What in God's name are you talking about? HT. ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soongmak Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 <<She has totally disgraced her entire family there. Being a whore is not acceptable, to the vast majority of Thai society. She is a huge embarrassment to every Khon Thai I have talked to>> Yep, being a whore is not the problem IMO, but getting bad press is what makes it so embarassing. If you got caught leaving a massage parlour , it would be equally embarassing. But I also agree with Jasmine, in her ascertains that there a large majority, who decide to go into the business, simply looking for the big bucks, and laziness is certainly a factor in many cases. Jeez, you just keep on hammering home the fact that prostitutes are bad, don't you? How about the character flaws you have as an ex hardcore punter? Why don't you take a good, long look in that mirror and tell me then you think that you are better marriage material than the average thai prostitute. While most of them had at least the excuse of bleak future prospects before entering the biz, your excuses for entering are nil. Seriously, why you constantly diss a group of people you flew half around the world for so you could pay them to get some pussy, is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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