Slipping into Oblivion

[chuckwoww]

Oh I don't know. I lived and worked in the Gulf for a while. Met some really fine people. Nobody tried to convert me or chop my head off. They have their own way of doing things but that's their business. They don't seem any more agressive or intolerant than many Westerners. They sure hate Israel though. Why would I want to 'choke on my cornflakes?' Don't get that bit at all.

 

Boy you really edited the shit out of your first post. I hardly recognize it.

[MaiLuk]

>>We were at war with the German and Japanese governments.<<

 

A small point but have to disagree with this. WWII was total war, with german and japan populations showing a willingness to fight to the last. And the allies bombed their military, infrastructure and civilians into near oblivion. The result was total victory.

 

The current war is not similar. zanemay hit on some of the differences.

 

Though some of the talk coming from the iraqi gov't directed to fallujah ("give up al zarquawi or face a military attack") would make one think that alot of civilians are about to die there

[rmorris22]

Very Well Stated Thai3. What I don't understand is that there are so many that think that if we withdraw, do nothing and stick our heads in the sand that all of the worlds problems will go away. As you state, the Koran considers non-muslims as the enemy. It is a basic tenant of their religon.

 

I don't know if it has been discussed on the board anywhere, but I am curious about how many have actually watched one of the beheading videos. I saw the Armstrong video. I had a knot in my stomach for a week. It brings home the absolute animals that we are fighting. All of the liberal/anti war people I know refuse to watch one or even discuss it.

[MaiLuk]

>>I saw the Armstrong video. I had a knot in my stomach for a week. It brings home the absolute animals that we are fighting.<<

 

Ever looked at pics of the bodies after being blown up by an american bomb? Gruesome would be an understatement. Point is that those looking at things in person from the ground... well i don't know what the point is

[MaiLuk]

>do nothing and stick our heads in the sand <

 

Thats better than having it sawed off

 

I think the french are notorious for the head in the sand trick but still one of our best allies. They will come around after a few years we hope.

[Guest]

>>>WWII was total war, with german and japan populations showing a willingness to fight to the last. <<<

 

 

not really.

germany was a total dictatorship where any dissent was punished by being sent into a concentration camp (don't forget - it was not just jews and gypsies who were terminated, but also socialists, communists, christians, jehowa's witnesses, homosexuals, peace activists etc). by '43/'44 large parts of the german population were more than tired of the war but there was no way to say anything, or even think of acting.

not much willingness to fight to the last, as choice was not much of an option in those days in germany when the morally right choice gets you sent into the concentration camp.

[Guest lazyphil]

I will be in Linz, Austria next week, last year when there drove past Hitlers childhood home all closed up with iron bars, my Austrian friend says nobody is sure whether to knock it down or leave it, both ways present problems ::, your take fly?

[Guest]

>>>your take fly? <<<

 

 

definately both ways pose a problem. you knock it down you'll have neonazis from all over the world using the opportunity to stage demonstrations. you open it up and you risk it being abused as an international neonazi pilgrimage centre.

 

dunno, maybe do the same things as was done with the concentration camps - make museums to never forget. it definately is very sobering to visit one of the camps. when i was in school we went several times to the nearest one of our hometown, being guided around by former inmates. i think it was compulsury for us kids to visit a former concentration camp. i hope it still is so.

[Guest]

also, problem in austria is that large sectors of the society are still not that repentent, somewhat, as you can see in the large support for joerg haider - the cunt. his father, an even bigger cunt, became filthy rich during the nazi days by getting his hands on land of jews who were forced to sell their holdings for closed to nothing. my dad lived not long after the war in austria, and knew haiders father. my dad despised him, says that he was a disgusting character.

[spirit_of_town_hall]

Some interesting points, I think its brain washing to send German school children to concentration camps. Its nothing to do with them at all and was to all extents and purposes carried out by a small number of odd ball SS people.

 

Most Germans had no idea what was going on, to ram that stuff down school childrens throats creates a cowed apologetic populace...

 

Time to forget and move on and concentrate on present day genocide such as that in Sudan.

 

STH