sayjann Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 like p127,to no-one in particular. i have said this before but if the Worlds best warning system was in operation what might have happened?. i'm only thinking of Phuket tourist areas and cannot believe that if the warning system was in order how many people would have heard it or heeded it. personally after a night out on Xmas night i would have been fast asleep and i am sure i would not have heard anything. how long was it after the Eathquake sent the waves into Thailand?,2-3 Hours? a very small window to warn everyone of impending doom. very easy for everyone to blame everyone else but this was so quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thalenoi Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 flyonzewall said: thalenoi said: Don't allow 15 people to sit in the back of a pick-up might be a start? sorry. not possible. our rescue teams had to wedge themselve in those numbers on the back of the pick up trucks as there simply were not enough trucks available. ...and it must have been far far worse for the people actually trying to escape the wave. i know it is difficult to imagine what happened there, i wouldn't be able to if i haven't been down there. Sorry Fly, this was about reducing death tolls on the roads... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 ---------------- can reach like 700 km/hour. So really no advance notice. A strange conclusion. The Indian Ocean is a big place. Each 700km of distance gives an hour notice. Thailand can start saving lives with as little as 20 minutes notice with existing systems. Some countries had hours between when the tsunami was discovered to when it impacted in this particular case. --------------- Not a strange conclusion as I stated also that you can't really see the tsunami from ships for instance, while these things travel accross oceans. In the vast ocean areas one needs a sensor systems and maintain such a system, just in case once every 100 years a tsunami of this magtitude may occur. Its' extramely expensive. Hawaii and Japan have such systems in place, but then the area it covers is a bit smaller than the enitre Indian Ocean, isn't it. The first 24 hours, no one really knew the extend of this disaster. Not even FlyW. You don't really know someone is missing until someone else reports that. And it took at least 24 hours, but most probably 48 hours to get even an estimate of how many died. Thousands are still listed as missing. Still many of these a double name entries and many other a people vacationing elsewhere and have not yet been in touch. In Europe TV stations are asking everyone that at one time reported a person missing to call again to verify the current status. People just don't do that by themselves. Thailand and its Government has not tried to downplay the extend of this disaster this time, but reported based on what they really knew. And that wasn't much for the first day or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 >>>Thailand and its Government has not tried to downplay the extend of this disaster this time, but reported based on what they really knew. And that wasn't much for the first day or 2. <<< sorry, but that is simply not true. one look at the satelite images explains everything. they had desperate phone calls of the areas, of people working in the area. of police. of dr. pornthip. of rescue teams. for some reason they did not choose to believe. the same way that you still downplay the bodycount. i was told by phone when standing in the middle of hundreds of corpses that thaksin made a speach that thailand had at most 1800 to 2000 corpses. and thousands more were still openly lying around the beaches, many more swept into the ocean or lying under all the rubble. people on the ground knew, and said so. communications were up. i am tired of that constant whitewashing tactics. why does the thai government not mention the thousands of illegal burmese labours who died. you officials do stall, your spindoctors are working overtime. the problem though is that the only way to contain the damage done by the officials is by coming out with an apology and a true assesment of the situation, not just giving it out in small doses, hoping that certain people can come away from the mess with browniepoints by making positive appearances now, when the damage was done already. this might be working short term, but i can promise you - right now - at this minute the shit is exploding in your faces, you just don't want to realise it, and you cannot contain it anymore. it simply is too big. be proactive, that is the only way the burocrats can save their arses. what you guys have now against you is the full attention of the worldmedia, en masse. the final bodycount for thailand will be in the region of at least ten, more possibly twenty, if not thirty thousand. and that cannot be silenced, such as the true bodycount of the drugwar, or the events of the 3 southern provinces. sorry, but that is the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Here is a link to satellite images of Khao Lak. These photos are from Space Imaging's Ikonos satellite. On the left is Khao Lak on 3 Jan 2003. The photo on the right was taken 29 Dec 2004. I am sure that the powers that be had versions of these pix before the 29th. Looks like total devisataion to me . Regards, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Could this tragedy been avoided or reduced? [color:"red"] YES [/color] according to the person who was in the know in Thailand and has been reappointed. When he saw what was happening on Sunday, he tried his best to warn the government. Nobody was around. In the past, he warned that a tsunami might occur soon. He was called CRAZY. :: [color:"blue"] The greater tragedy is the number of people who died, died as a result of ignorant people belittling a person who tried doing his job. [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soongmak Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 suadum said:Here is a link to satellite images of Khao Lak. These photos are from Space Imaging's Ikonos satellite. On the left is Khao Lak on 3 Jan 2003. The photo on the right was taken 29 Dec 2004. I am sure that the powers that be had versions of these pix before the 29th. Looks like total devisataion to me . Regards, SD SD, Isn't the right one taken on 3 Jan, and the left one Dec. 29th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummigut Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 One girl who learned about tsunamis 2-weeks before in class in England got everyone off of her beach and no one was killed. Can't believe no one else cited this or is this just a legend. Even if the warning did go over TV, all it would take is one person to see it. Hopefully nothing like this will ever happen again. <<burp>> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Read this in the Sun newspaper, she said she had been told by teacher in project that when tide shot out very fast this is a dangererous time, said 100 lives saved. True?, I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shygye Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 [color:"green"] Hawaii and Japan have such systems in place, but then the area it covers is a bit smaller than the enitre Indian Ocean, isn't it. [/color] The Pacific Ocean is much larger than the Indian Ocean. You can fault the governments for not educating the people through their school system about the warning signs for a tsunami. Also for not establishing procedures to warn other countries when the tsunami hit their country. The governments did not setup procedures to coordinate police, military, and volunteer organisations. Most of these would help during other disasters like massive floods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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