Bali Bombings

[chuckwoww]

MaiLuk said:

But why is al quaida at war with the indonesian government? I don't know the answer maybe someone can explain it. It would be good to know what rationale these fuck wits use for setting off bombs while people are eating at a local seafood restaurant. And the bombers blow themselves at the same time so it must be something important in the view of their twisted brains.

 

Jemah Islamiya seems to want to impose a radical Islamic state.

 

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ji.htm

 

they have links with Al Quaida. Maybe AQ is using them to drive a wedge between Australia and the US. More likely they just want to foment chaos in the region and spread the war. I have no idea how they think at that level. Same with the Wahabbis and other religious fanatics. I find the Iraqi insurgents motives easier to understand.

[chuckwoww]

Couple of recent opinion pieces from The Australian if anyone's interested. They seem to be offering different points of view on the Bali bombings...

 

Clive Williams: Bali bombs show JI is still alive and killing,October 03, 2005

 

AUSTRALIANS waking up to their clock radios on Sunday morning would have thought they were hearing a re-run of the news from 2002. The latest Bali bombings have come nearly three years after the appallingly deadly 12 October 2002 bombings that killed 202 people, 88 of them Australians.

 

According to the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Alexander Downer, there was again no specific intelligence to indicate that Bali was a target. The US recently came out with a new warning for Indonesia but it does not seem to have been based on specific intelligence.

 

http://tinyurl.com/9qadk

 

Mark Steyn: Islamist way or no way, October 04, 2005

 

IT'S not just the environmentalists who think globally and act locally. The jihadi who murdered Newcastle woman Jennifer Williamson, Perth teenager Brendan Fitzgerald and a couple of dozen more Australians, Indonesians, Japanese and others had certain things in common with the July 7 London Tube killers. For example, Azahari bin Husin, who police believe may be the bomb-maker behind this weekend's atrocity, completed a doctorate at England's Reading University. The contribution of the British education system to the jihad is really quite remarkable.

 

But, on the other hand, despite Clive Williams's game attempt to connect the two on this page yesterday, nobody seriously thinks what happened in Bali has anything to do with Iraq. There are, in the end, no root causes, or anyway not ones that can be negotiated by troop withdrawals or a Palestinian state. There is only a metastasising cancer that preys on whatever local conditions are to hand. Five days before the slaughter in Bali, nine Islamists were arrested in Paris for reportedly plotting to attack the Metro. Must be all those French troops in Iraq, right? So much for the sterling efforts of President Jacques Chirac and his Prime Minister, Dominique de Villepin, as the two chief obstructionists of Bush-Blair-Howard neo-con-Zionist warmongering these past three years.

 

http://tinyurl.com/8mo5j

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Interesting on the news here in Jakarta: The heads of the suicide bombers are plastered all over the news asking for help in IDing them. Their HEADS! Not something you see every day, for sure.

 

And there was some security camera footage, chilling...showed one of the bombers walking into the restaraunt, wandering about then setting off the bomb.

 

Anyone seen this outside of Indonesia?

 

Regards,

SD

[Guest lazyphil]

Footage but not heads ::

[Torneyboy]

suadum said:

Interesting on the news here in Jakarta: The heads of the suicide bombers are plastered all over the news asking for help in IDing them. Their HEADS! Not something you see every day, for sure.

 

And there was some security camera footage, chilling...showed one of the bombers walking into the restaraunt, wandering about then setting off the bomb.

 

Anyone seen this outside of Indonesia?

 

Regards,

SD

 

Oz tourists took some footage in a Restaurant showing thebomber walk past ..then bang..

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You bet it was on the Thai news. Saw it yesterday, both of them, the walking around bit and heads.

 

Weird.

[Evel_Penivel]

^Police say tipster recognizes one of the Bali bombers, jailed

militants also questioned<

 

BALI, Indonesia (AP) _ Indonesian police were pursuing a tip Wednesday from a caller who claimed to have identified a gruesome photo of one of the Bali bombers as a student from an area famous for its hardline Islamic schools.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, meanwhile, said the deadly bombings had ``spoiled Indonesia's reputation in the eyes of the world.'' He called on his military to stamp out the scourge of terrorism in the world's most populous Muslim nation.

¶ The possible lead was one of the few announced by police since they began circulating photographs of the three suicide bombers' severed heads, recovered from the attacks on crowded restaurants on the resort island.

¶ The blasts on Saturday killed 22 and injured 104.

¶ The tipster called police in Solo, a city on the main island of

Java, and said one of the bombers had studied in the area _ home to a hardline Islamic boarding school attended by several militants convicted in previous terror attacks, said Abdul Madjid, Solo's police chief commissioner.

¶ ``He identified one of the bombers,'' said Madjid, adding that he said the man's name was ``Gareng.''

¶ Madjid provided no further information and said police were pursuing the lead.

¶ Meanwhile, investigators across the country quizzed jailed

militants for information about the bombers, said Bali police chief Maj. Gen. I Made Mangku Pastika.

¶ ``We are also asking them whether they recognize these people or not. So far the detained terrorists do not know them,'' Pastika said.

¶ Those questioned included Amrozi bin Nurhasyim and Imam Samudra, sentenced to death for their roles in the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people.

¶ Investigators also were analyzing bomb scraps _ pellets,

batteries, cables and detonators _ found at the scene.

¶ Police said it was too early to say who masterminded the

terrorist attack. But suspicion immediately fell on the

al-Qaida-linked Southeast Asian terror group Jemaah Islamiyah and two of the network's top leaders _ Malaysian fugitives Azahari bin Husin and Noordin Mohamed Top.

¶ The network of mostly Afghan-trained militants allegedly

orchestrated the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people, and the 2003 and 2004 blasts at the J.W. Marriott hotel and the Australian Embassy, both in Jakarta, that together killed 22.

¶ Southeast Asian nations have gone on high alert to prevent a repeat of the Bali bombings. Hundreds of thousands of troops were on standby, security was tightened on beaches and along borders.

¶ Adding to tensions, bomb disposal squads and hazardous materials experts were rushed to the U.S., British, Australian, French and Russian embassies in Malaysia on Wednesday after they received packages threatening retaliation for alleged injustices against the Muslim world, police said.

¶ The parcels were later dismissed as a hoax, as were similar envelopes sent to six other diplomatic missions a day earlier, said Abdul Aziz Bulat, the chief of Kuala Lumpur police criminal investigation.

¶ On Bali, shops put up shatterproof glass and some hotels were hiring one security guard for every 10 rooms. Police were on the streets and at the airport in force, and officials said searches and metal detector screenings would become even more common.

¶ ``Bags will be checked. Cars will be checked. This is an

inconvenience, but it is for safety reasons,'' said Indonesian

Tourism Minister Wacik.

¶ Saturday's bombings have prompted new Indonesian calls for access to Riduan Isamuddin, an alleged Southeast Asian terror mastermind detained by the U.S. since 2003.

¶ Washington has refused previous requests, saying it didn't want to compromise an investigation of the Indonesian cleric, widely known as Hambali.

¶ But Indonesian lawmaker Theo Sambuaga said the U.S. should stop delaying.

¶ ``I think the time has now come for the United States to give full access to the Indonesian police so they can interrogate Hambali,'' said Sambuaga, chairman of the parliament's political and security commission.

¶ AP-NY-10-05-05 1051EDT<

[packy]

The US is constantly complaining that their efforts are being hindered by foreign governments. Now we hear the REST OF THE STORY. This has never been in the media here about the officials wanting him, the Joe Average citizen does not know this! I'll bet Mr. T had some words about this when he was in the US a few days ago. It is time for Washington to come clean. Who would help those that does not help in return?

 

 

Not this old Man!