soiarrai Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23379673-details/It%27s+rape+if+the+woman+is+drunk%2C+according+to+new+law/article.do London, Thursday 28.12.06 It's rape if the woman is drunk, according to new law 28.12.06 Men face being charged with rape if they have sex with women who are drunk. The proposal, contained in a Home Office report, is being considered by ministers in a bid to boost conviction rates for sex offences and bring more â??date rapistsâ? to justice. The new law would mean a woman judged to be drunk at the time of having sex would be deemed incapable of giving her consent. That would potentially open the way for the prosecution of thousands of men for having sex with drunk women â?? regardless of whether agreement had been given at the time. Successful prosecutions for rape often founder before they get to court because of the difficulty in proving to juries that a victim had not given consent. The law change would end that uncertainty and is expected to lead to a huge rise in the current conviction rate of five per cent. Proof of whether a woman was drunk would come from medical tests â?? including those taken many hours later using a â??back calculatingâ? technique â?? as well as evidence from witnesses and victims. The new offence will be proposed in a report on countering date rape by the Home Office's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs. The report also looks at the role played in sex attacks by drugs such as GHB and rohypnol, which are used by rapists to sedate their victims. It warns that many attacks are missed because some medical staff fail to realise that rohypnol can be detected up to 36 hours after it was administered â?? unlike GHB which lasts about 12 hours â?? and so fail to take tests. To counter this, it calls for medical guidance to recommend that samples be taken whenever possible. It also recommends the increased testing of victim's hair, which retains drug traces weeks later, and the increased provision of testing kits to enable urine and other samples to be taken swiftly. At the moment, a drunken woman is deemed to be capable of giving consent so long as she is not unconscious. This makes it difficult to bring rape prosecutions when the victim has consumed large quantities of alcohol because of the difficulty in countering defence claims that the victim agreed to sex. The report, to be published shortly, recommends tackling this problem by removing the issue of consent in cases where the victim was inebriated. Although the council concedes that the wording of a new law will be difficult to achieve, its intention is that the prosecution would be required only to show that the woman â?? or man â?? had drunk sufficient amounts to seriously cloud their judgment. Similar ideas that could lead to a change in the definition of â??consentâ? in rape cases are being considered by the Solicitor General Mike O'Brien as part of a government review designed to tackle low conviction rates. A spokeswoman said the Home Office would be publishing its plans for increasing the number of successful rape prosecutions, including possible legislative changes, in the New Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Great, so when goping out to hunt pussy in a bar or night club, you now need to bring money, condoms, breath mints and a breathalayzer...what is the leagal limit for "drunken consent?" What next? Sexual consent forms? Similar laws exist in the USA, but usually pertain to sliping them drugs, or when they are passed out...just gets rediculis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlton68 Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 So what if a woman sleeps with a drunken man? That's rape too? Must be if it's equal rules. I just wonder what happens if both are drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 quite a common poster behind bars in pubs in the uk, guess they'll have to take them down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 What will the blood alchol level be for being drunk? Who is going to adminster the breathanalyser just before having sex? And if the woman passes the breathanalyser, what happens if you have sex for one hour, and right after having sex her blood alchol is now in the range of being intoxicated? Another pathetic law! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian2 Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 In most rape cases the woman has to make a complaint, the onus would be on her to show she never consented. She'd find it hard if half a dozen people swore she was giving the alleged offender a BJ in public then she screamed rape afterwards. The laws are ridiculous though, if a womans stupid enough to go to a Hell's Angels Christmas party and get loaded she must know she'll be walking bandy legged for the next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun_Kong Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 When are Western governments going to start allowing ADULTS TO START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN DUMB FUCKING MISTAKES, ASSININE ACTIONS AND BAD CHOICES!!! (&^%#(*)()*(#@$@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Hoy Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 When are Western governments going to start allowing ADULTS TO START TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR OWN DUMB FUCKING MISTAKES, ASSININE ACTIONS AND BAD CHOICES!!! (&^%#(*)()*(#@$@ If you're saying that, if a gal gets drunk, she's responsible for getting fucked by whoever comes along...I think that's quite a jump in logic. So, if a guy gets drunk and gets buttfucked by some katoeys along Suk, it's his own fucking fault? I don't think so. Otherwise, I agree that the liberal West is pre-occupied with protecting people who make bad choices. :grin: HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzz Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 It's only rape if the woman says so, whether she's drunk or not. So you gotta keep 'em happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Hi, "So what if a woman sleeps with a drunken man? That's rape too?" Only if the woman is ugly Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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