Julian2 Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Fair enough. Not a Tom Clancy fan unfortunately, but I've never really tried to get into him. Griffin's "The Corp" series is the one I've read mainly, it starts in China at the outbreak of WW2 and the last book is set in the Korean war. The first in the series is "Semper Fi." Very popular, the second hand book shops are full of them, great for long plane flights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 OK, I'll keep an eye out for it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limbo Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Definately recommendable OH, very good stuff. He wrote a lot more than the Corps cyclus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Friendly fire" If a soldier kills 100 people, does he get a metal for the 65 soldiers that were enemey solidiers and the other 35 were his comrades? Or should he get kicked in the ass and be retrained at how to be a soldier and the other soldiers be trained the same way? It should be interesting to find out what percentage of US soldiers have killed friendly soldiers over all kills versus what the British statistics are? If the Brits has a lower percentage, then I would assume that maybe they are better trained. At least it would mean their is room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I would expect medals to be awarded to people linked to this and other friendly fire events. In the 1980's, a US cruiser accidentally shot down an Iran commercial passenger jet full of people on its natural flight path over the gulf when the US was in peacetime. They thought the gradual ascending A300 was a mig attacking them. Keep in mind the ship was ultra modern and had America's most sophisticated, state of the art AEGIS radar system. From the wikipedia Medals Awarded section: The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of human life but never admitted wrongdoing, accepted responsibility, nor apologised for the incident. Officially, it continues to blame Iranian hostile actions for the incident. The men of the Vincennes were all awarded combat-action ribbons. Lustig, the air-warfare co-ordinator, won the navy's Commendation Medal for "heroic achievement," noting his "ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire" that enabled him to "quickly and precisely complete the firing procedure." Here is another military white wash. Some may have seen the famous movie PT-109 showing JFK's heroic moments in WWII as his PT boat was sunk as he fought desperately against enemy plane fire. In reality, what happened is he was run over by a Japanese destroyer! They didn't even see him and he didn't react quickly enough to get out of the way. MacArthur wanted to court marshall him. JFK's Dad wanted him to get the medal of honor. In the end history painted it in a favorable way--and yes he did get medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yes, shortly before that, the Soviets "Accidently" shot down a Korean Airlines plane... Shit happens... Friendly fire/troops accidently killing friendlies has been happening ever since the first group of assholes got together and tried to kill another group of assholes...it happens. Unless you have ever been in that situation, and experienced the fear and confusion, you are no one to condem. Regarding JFK...he supposedly scraped the life raft in exchange for a gun of some sort that he fashioned to the deck with rope, firing sed gun would have blown it and the gunner off the boat. Additionally, he supposedly shut down his engines, in violation of an order to idle...also...the famous coconut "...send help Kennedy..." was carved after a group of scouts found them on the island. Kennedy is said by all, to have pulled a sailor to shore and is credited with saving his life...of course his fuck up is what caused it all to happen...but again, unless we are there, and experienced it asll, we can't say what we should have done...hind sight is always perfect, and playing arm chair warrior is way to easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yahoo News Video 'shows friendly fire death' 6 February 2007 A catalogue of errors were responsible for the "friendly fire" death of a British soldier in Iraq, it has been reported. The Sun claims to have obtained a cockpit videotape recording showing the moment that a US jet launched two devastating attacks on a British armoured convoy, killing Lance Corporal of Horse Matty Hull. In the recording, the pilot of the second American plane involved in the attacks says after their mistake is realised: "We're in jail dude", the paper reports. The other pilot then weeps, saying: "God dammit", it adds. The Ministry of Defence initially told L/Cpl Hull's family the recording did not exist, but it found its way into the hands of Oxford coroner Andrew Walker, who is hearing the inquest into the soldier's death. The MoD refused to comment on the alleged contents of the videotape. Last week Mr Walker adjourned the inquest in frustration at what he said was the MoD's failure to get the permission of the American authorities, who are said to own the tape, for him to show the recording. The Sun claims six errors led to the attack near Basra in southern Iraq on March 28 2003. Four other British soldiers were injured. These included that on several occasions the pilots either questioned or appeared to question the orange panels on top of the armoured vehicles which were being used to identify them as coalition, rather than Iraqi, forces. However, the conclusion is reached that the orange panels are rocket launchers. L/Cpl Hull, 25, from Windsor, Berkshire, died in the incident and four other members of the Household Cavalry Regiment were injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiHome Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Looks like the British can kill themselves as well: Friendly fire kills two UK tank crew Rory McCarthy in Camp as-Sayliya, Qatar, and agencies Wednesday March 26, 2003 The Guardian Two members of a British tank crew were killed and two critically injured after their Challenger 2 tank was fired on by another Challenger tank in southern Iraq. A single tank round took the turret off the tank in the misdirected attack, which happened on Monday in pitch darkness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 << " Colonel Chris Vernon, a British military spokesman, said ... "Regardless of the careful planning and measures taken in the type of operations in which we are engaged and in the heat of battle there is always a risk that incidents such as this might happen." >> My father told me about watching Allied gunfire shoot down an American fighter by mistake during WWII. Wasn't until they saw the wreckage they realised what had happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 a mate of mine was in a tank reg in the british army and on exercise in canada and a soldier was run over and killed by a tank....mistakes happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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