If the Thais dont want us, where to ?

[FIGJAM]

Hi All,

 

Once upon a time, the run to the border was all that was required to renew one's lease on Sanuk in the Kingdom - those days appear to be over. The Thai people want the contents of my wallet for as long as I wish to stay, but their bureaucratic overlords need to clampdown on illegal workers - several of us are caught in the middle.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with clamping down on illegal workers.

 

If they really wanted to clamp down on that they would go after the Thai employers who, as things stand now, are practically left alone and free to do as they please.

 

I'm curious as to where other members would go ?

I would go to the Philippines.

If you are a sex-tourist or a sex-pat who likes the Thai scene (personally, I see no other reason to be there) you will find in the Philippines the most similar one in the region.

[FIGJAM]

so, Zob wrote..."I didn't have any problem with getting a O visa 12 months multi entry, if you do it the correct way then the process is easy"

 

Are you saying he is lying

 

Because I know Zob and he is not the type to lie about things like this.

Apart from the fact that this bit wasn't the focus of my reply (not surprised you didn't notice...):

 

1. "O visa 12 months multi entry" do not exist, there are cat. "O" NON-IMMIGRANT 90 days single and multi entry visas

2. 1 year extension of stays are done in Thailand at the conditions I discussed in the thread I linked

3. Each embassy/consulate/single officer are a law unto themselves so I have no problem believeing that he got a "O" NON-IMM 90 days multi entry visa (good, if well used, for up to 15 months not 12). I don't know where and on which base he asked for a "O" NON-IMM but fact is that they are not given for tourism (although in the gone past you cold sometimes trick your way into getting one on the base of visiting "Thai friends"!) and, most importantly, MANY countries (my own, Italy, included) are not issuing multi entries anymore!

 

In the gobbledonk's case the best he could hope for, legally, was a double entry Tourist Visa which are themselves becoming difficult to get leaving you with just a single entry TV.

 

In any case, there are today NO PROVISIONS in Thai immi laws for a young (as in under 50), wealthy, not-married-to-a-Thai Westerner wishing to stay long time and spend his money in this 3rd world country.

You have to fight them just to be allowed to stay in country to spend your money!

 

You on the otherhand seem to get all your facts wrong if any of your other posts are anything to go by.

So, are you able to confute the things I have been writing?

 

Waiting for your counter-arguments and datas since I haven't seen ANY in reply to my "other posts" where I get "all my facts wrong".

 

Choose an argument, teddy, and show me how wrong my facts are.

 

Also your use of underlining, red fonts and capital letters is particularly annoying :smirk:

It's to point out to you the important parts...

You still fail to get them though.

 

[The_Munchmaster]

You certainly get your knickers in a twist about some things.

[Guest lazyphil]

seems he does a good job clearing the muddy waters!

[teddy]

You stated; "From start to finish", which must have meant all of it.

 

Then you state; "Apart from the fact that this bit wasn't the focus of my reply"

 

Make your feckin mind up.

 

Oh and by the way, I didn't read the rest of the reply due to the silly underlinings and use of bold font.

[FIGJAM]

You certainly get your knickers in a twist about some things.

True, I can't stand people's stupidity and ignorance when it's coupled with arrogance.

[FIGJAM]

You stated; "From start to finish", which must have meant all of it.

 

Then you state; "Apart from the fact that this bit wasn't the focus of my reply"

 

Make your feckin mind up.

 

Oh and by the way, I didn't read the rest of the reply due to the silly underlinings and use of bold font.

The_Munchmaster, see what I mean?

[cavanami]

I went to the Thai consulate/embassy in Chicago in April, 2008 and they flat out tod me, "no more 'O' type visa". They suggested I get a retirement visa.

 

I went to a "honorary Thai consulate" and had the 'O' visa in 15 minutes + $175 US dollars.

 

So you can get an 'O' visa but it is getting harder.

For me, next time I will get the retirement visa.

 

For sure, I would like the see our "home" countries even up the playing field. If I can't own property in Thailand, then the Thais should not be able to own it in my home country...tit for tat.

 

[FIGJAM]

And since it's you smiling blind daydreaming Thai apologists who never reply on the arguments but only on the persona, here is your reply:

 

You stated; "From start to finish", which must have meant all of it.

 

Then you state; "Apart from the fact that this bit wasn't the focus of my reply"

 

Make your feckin mind up.

And where, exactly, is the contradiction in what I wrote????

 

I wrote that:

 

A. his reply was senseless from start to finish

 

B. that bit wasn't my main focus

 

I never denied that bit wasn't included in my first "all of this is senseless" statement. In fact, I throughly addressed that bit and showed you that:

 

1. gobbledonk couldn't LEGALLY get an "O" NON-IMM multi entry as a tourist

 

2. depending on his country of origin "O" NON-IMM multi entries may not be available anymore

 

Oh and by the way, I didn't read the rest of the reply due to the silly underlinings and use of bold font.

Let's see your next excuse:

 

1. "O visa 12 months multi entry" do not exist, there are cat. "O" NON-IMMIGRANT 90 days single and multi entry visas

2. 1 year extension of stays are done in Thailand at the conditions I discussed in the thread I linked

3. Each embassy/consulate/single officer are a law unto themselves so I have no problem believeing that he got a "O" NON-IMM 90 days multi entry visa (good, if well used, for up to 15 months not 12). I don't know where and on which base he asked for a "O" NON-IMM but fact is that they are not given for tourism (although in the gone past you cold sometimes trick your way into getting one on the base of visiting "Thai friends"!) and, most importantly, MANY countries (my own, Italy, included) are not issuing multi entries anymore!

 

In the gobbledonk's case the best he could hope for, legally, was a double entry Tourist Visa which are themselves becoming difficult to get leaving you with just a single entry TV.

 

In any case, there are today NO PROVISIONS in Thai immi laws for a young (as in under 50), wealthy, not-married-to-a-Thai Westerner wishing to stay long time and spend his money in this 3rd world country.

You have to fight them just to be allowed to stay in country to spend your money!

 

You on the otherhand seem to get all your facts wrong if any of your other posts are anything to go by.

So, are you able to confute the things I have been writing?

 

Waiting for your counter-arguments and datas since I haven't seen ANY in reply to my "other posts" where I get "all my facts wrong".

 

Choose an argument, teddy, and show me how wrong my facts are.

[Gadfly]

and was only required for a short period of time in 2003/2004.

 

Yeah, that is real reassuring. They can change the rules to invalidate your retirement visa, but only for a short period of time.

 

Of work permits and bank accounts, see SorNorSor (03) Wor 15/2544, Notification of Bank of Thailand on Requirements for Commerical Bank on Accepting Deposits, opinion letter 3/2544. Or don't bother, because the bottom line here is that it is all Kafkaesque. When you acknowledge that they changed the rules, but then say it was OK because it was only for a "short time", you actually help me illustrate the bigger point here. Actually, the existence of a debate and the evident confusion in that debate over what the rules really say also illustrates my point - the unpredictability of the regulatory and legal regime. This is not a Farang vs. Thai issue, but a fundamental problem for everyone â?? Thais and Farangs alike- in Thailand.

 

In any event, I don't think that Thais don't want Farangs. It certainly is not that simple. Attitudes vary tremendously (no surprise there) even within individuals, and a seriously problematic legal and regulatory regime complicates matter substantially by adding another element of uncertainity for Farangs in Thailand. I don't see this changing.